Ukraine & Russia

no no too scary! just go shopping

 

No they didn't. He disappeared because there were Neo-Nazis, terrorists all backed by US Neo-Cons. All aiming to kill him and his family. So he's still the President. And his Party of the Regions is by far the most popular single party in the Ukraine.

The so called government in Kiev has no authority because the Ukraine is a Presidential democracy.

Terrorism, Neo-Nazism, Western coup, killing of Russia-leaning citizens.
Most of the Ukraine was the same country as Russia for centuries. Kiev has been for most of the past 1100 years. The need for Russia to intervene is immense.

America and the EU have lost all credibility in international affairs. The genocide in Iraq typifies this.

 

Hey man, stop right there. In the sixties there was the Cuban missile crisis. America and the E.U should respond like then in the U.N.

 

In fairness mate, I think you're talking out of your behind. Is it the Tea Party you are part of? Or the crack party?

For the benefit of everyone else, my grandparents are from the Ukraine - Kiev and the WEST of the Ukraine.

They were "Ukrainian" but they were also "Russian". Confused?
Let me explain. Ukrainian means "from the Ukraine". It doesnt even mean that they think the Ukraine should exist as a separate country. Its like being a "Texan" or a "Siberian". Now someone might be classed as RUssian in the Ukraine. That could mean they moved from modern Russia to the modern Ukraine. Ukrainian nationalists banned dual citizenship, and declaring Russian citizenship in the Ukraine can mean persecution by scummy groups like "Right Sector" who are Neo-Nazis. So a crappy article on Wikipedia will fail to demonstrate the reality of how much Ukrainians identify with Russia as "fraternal brothers" etc. The one exception is places like Lvov (Lviv in Ukr dialect). There was much "ethnic cleansing of Russians and Jews who supported the USSR, during WW2 - which is another factor to consider in it all.

Some pts:-

1)For the US and others to overthrow a democractically elected president and install neo Nazis/terrorists is warped in the extreme.

2)Most of the territories of the Ukraine and Russia have been ONE country for the last 1100 years (save for a Polish, a Nazi and a Genghis Khan invasion). The Ukrainian dialect (NOT even a language) actually built up as the result of Russian language mixing with Polish and German)

Kiev (central region) was part of Russia even in the 20th century (as was, I recall most of the modern day Ukraine).
After the USSR was formed, republics were formed within the Union.
So Russian territory and other territories were put togther to give a republic called "The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic". Upon dissolution of the Soviet Union, the Ukrainian Republic broke away due to a monumentally corrupt alcoholic president called Yeltsin. There was no legal mandate for this. A blind eye was turned to it while corrupt oligarchs got rich, and others struggled. Both Republics remained part of the new Commonwealth.

The Ukraine was never to have been given over to terrorists, Nazis, or lackeys of further NATO expansion. Infact NATO promised never to take in Warsaw Pact countries. NATO broke all the rules and agrements, time and again. And corrupt oligarchs abused Ukrainian people's trust (like Tymoshenko, and the ones behind the punchdrunk Klitschko etc)

Now Russia and those looking towards Russia are saying that Fascism, or any form of expansionism should not prevail.

Unfortunately what we've seen is "expansion at all costs" by NATO/US/EU. Just like America backing Al Qaeda in Syria, certain groups wanted EU and NATO expansiona t all costs by certain US and EU group.

The facts of the situation went out of the window as the propaganda games started. The capital of the Ukraine is actually called "the Mother City of Russia". This is indicative of how Russian the whole place actually is. And why the EU and US's current administrators would be well advised to stay well out, given the huge breaches of intl law they have already committed.

So its just like China backing Mexicans to overthrow all authorities in America. For people to actually defend Obama and Brussels is truly shocking. But then, when you're committing and applauding genocide in Iraq, I suppose its "only dead bodies" isn't it... !

 

Where would you like to install Nazis and terrorists after you let them settle in in the Ukraine? I suppose anywhere you can plonk a new missile base yes?
I mean its just like a game of Risk for some people isn't it!

YOu do know America started that crisis by putting missiles in Turkey?

Well that would be really smart wouldn't it! Even Johnny Nutjob McCain has admitted that approach would be stupid. But hey - global thermonuclear oblivion if you want! But I'm glad you're not a president.

Maybe if America had foreign powers put terrorists in Washington and NY instead of funding them abroad, it might think twice before causing mayhem...

You really do have a LOT to learn about how the civilised world operates...

 

I think that Russia is playing chess on this one and were playing checkers, they've had a plan for this, we're just reacting.

It's very similar to Georgia in 2004. End result is Crimea is a breakaway republic or region of Russia like Ossetia.

 

I think Ukraine should belong to Russia. Since there are ethnic Russians living in Ukraine.

 

There are Ethnic Russians living in Dallas, so by that logic, Dallas Texas should belong to Russia.

 

^ yes! and you're next!

 

But Bielorus shall remain independent, because the rude communist dictator is properly giving back the wealth to the people for the good environment and carbon neutrality.

 

only in the short run, to survive the worst possible outcomes of this current conflict. in the long run it's not profitable for Ukraine. and a lot of Ukrainians want closer ties with the EU, that's why their last president had to take off in the first place. Ukrainians wouldn't swallow down his russian bullshit. and they have the right to decide for themselves, not have a military invasion forcing them in one direction or another. the only question is if they can establish what they want or not.

 

Ok, so you're saying that I'm talking out of my ass and maybe smoking crack because I'm citing sources, and you're not.

I guess I must be aligned with NATO/Obama/Neo-con/Neo-Nazi forces who invaded Ukraine, forcing Putin to send in troops.

I see no meaningful criticism of my earlier posts, no reason to take what you are saying seriously, and no reason to keep arguing with you.

 

Great idea! :cheers2: I know quite a few Americans who won't miss it.

 

Maybe they are Orange like the people of the Orange movement for private property in Ukraine are too. I''m worried that now Russia wants to push an agenda of no more propriety. Everything should be commonly profit shared like some dreaming of Lech Walesa in the nineties with Zomo interfering and stuff like that.

Let's drink up. Is a common leadership for a factory's propriety possible. Who handles the money now, .......the man or the woman?:hurray:

 

Hmmm. I don't remember Russia telling us to back out of Panama or Grenada. Univited MilOps? Kinda like what we did for the longest time in Nicaragua, Guatemala, Colombia, Ecuador, French Guiana and Venezuela...?

 

The new Ukranian Government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/03/ukraine-government_n_4889063.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

 

QUOTE from the news article:


"The infiltration of the far right into the movement has played directly into the propaganda of Yanukovych and Vladimir Putin."

From my experiences with Polish solidarity, I think that the "far right" idea is for belated ideal thinking. Basically the concept of far right was introduced to plead that the system people are after respects religion for both subjective distrust, and biased narrow minded orthodoxy.

But the ownership principle holds fast to neo-liberal and rather deviated socialism.

Really, it is not racist by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Funny how no one gave a fuck about the Ukraine till a little shit goes down.I think Putin was right to show a little force to protect those Eastern Ukrainians who are still quite ethnically and culturally Russian.America would do the same.Truth is US wants hegemony over all former Soviet eastern Europe,and Russia doesn't want to completely secede.

 

Truth is Russia sees the Ukraine still as a part of them and they will use every opportunity to tighten the bonds, even by force.

Does this mean the dutch can claim Wisconsin? :mickey:

 

I hear that "Svoboda": excuse the Roman lettering, is a 4% party in the last elections. That could be a pro-familly party with the anti-homoexuality thing from the olympics. Shit,:2thumbsup: