Uk General Election 8Th June 2017

That's the third time you have called me a child.

It's pointless debating with you, and boring.

 

Really I thought it was twice ?
We shouldn't talk politics or drugs then simple really
just stop replying ?

 

The latest Yougov poll puts Labour just 3 points behind the Conservatives.

 

If the 1970 General UK Election and recent Brexit vote have shown us anything, then it is that Nothing should be thought as a 'fait accompli' , and/or that ones vote does not matter
- All one can ask is that vote - or not, one's Conscience is Clear

 

Jeremy Corbyn's team have hidden Inheritance Tax changes in a costing otherwise omited from the Manifesto. In effect this means many more middle class people will slip into the net of a death tax. Hitherto, I didn't have a problem with the criticism of the Conservatives Dementia Tax, it was a terrible miscalculation of public mood, yet this seems hypercritical. I must say that, along with cripplingly large interest payments, a blanket valuation of not only assets that are sunk, but revenue generating ones, such a change would cripple the middle class. I am alluding to small business owners, those reasonably, not extremely, well off from hard graft.

To put it another way, you work you ass off all your life, yet soon, if the bottom rate that has been speculated is put into effect, you will be forth to render your cash to others. Not even the slightest hint of where this money will be spent. You will be faced with rolling charges, the risk of prison without compliance, and a stripping of your hard evened assets, that concurrently, will hit your ability to both generate profit. Alternatively, facing charges on your estate to pay for your own care, well, to me, whilst I feel the cap was too low, at least the money was spent on the individual. Neither is ideal, but lets be fair, I agree wealth does need to be spread effectively throughout the generations. I think sometimes people forget that taxing on social care actually pays someone else's wage. So it was a fairer system than seeing your money being drifted into the benefits system.

Oh and by the way, Diane Abbot is as thick as two short planks. It is not racist to say this, no matter what she seems to think. To have her as home secretary is a horrifying prospect. Perfectly fitting future for ideologically charged, typically young, left wing luvvie voter.

 

more evidence that top down, our S.M.E'S, the lifeblood of our economy, employing thousands, would be at risk. Short term, employee wage reductions/price increases. Medium Term, employee job loss. Long term, Managements decision to liquidate.

 

And you're getting this information from where?

 

Jeremy Corbyn or the next wave of Eton toffs swanning around in limos, lining their pockets.

Hmmm... let me think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsYvkTw4Rg

 

I read this in the Daily Mail. Before posting however I did look into it, and whilst I couldn't access the costing documents through a brief search (I will look again), I did find the contents of "For the Many Not the Few". It is posted under the title

Reversing tax giveaways on Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance Tax, bank levy and scrapping the married persons’ tax allowance

Which obviously isn't a very catchy title. Now your also fucked if your beloved dies.

I looked through the footnotes. I does indicate clearly this will be reviewed according to the Spring budget just passed and the Annual 2016 Budget.

Sorry for taking a while there, the devil was in the details clearly.

 

Just by observation, i'd say where the EU works in a way that cannot reasonably be described as right wing, it shows strong signs of social liberal attitudes. Notwithstanding this, I would equally say that these very people are proven highly lavish with their spending. It's all a matter of perspective is my point. No matter who is in power, many can exploit that power. At least give people a chance to make their own opportunities.

I wouldn't advocate anyone being on benefits, or relying on the state, by choice.

 

Well thank fuck we have the SNP protecting us from some of these WM legislations. The dementia tax wont be applied in Scotland, not sure where we stand with inheritance tax though.

I'm not sure where you're evidence for Labour changin inheritance tax is, and I'm not sure what inheritance taxes are in force at the moment, so a reversal which way? A tax on the rich I imagine.

I don't believe anything I read in the Daily Fail. Tory rag.

 

Didn't labour talk about introducing a living wage?

This concept, however flawed it sounds seems to work in other countries. Other countries with far more limited defence budgets than we have of course, because it's important that we throw trillions of tax payers money down the toilet on illegal and unjust wars.

The idea of a living wage, that everyone gets would act as an incentive for people to work, because they'd earn more money, as opposed to the mostly always, more or less the same money, higher council tax and probably very little job security and the hassle of having to fill out forms for JSA, Housing benefit and Council Tax rebates.

Some would of course use it as an excuse to sit on their lazy arses all their lives drinking 3L of Frosty Jack cider every day and then dying of a heart attack in their 40's. But then they do that anyway, and maybe that's what the government wants.

Also the 5 day working week bullshit. Other Eu countries are more progressive in that way and allow people to opt for a 4 day week, then they can enjoy their life a bit more. Not sure what's in Labour's manifesto about that.

 

I agree about the D.M. I read my news online (thank you google news) so I am able to read across the board. We owe it to ourself in order to reach an objective opinion, without sounding partisan or bigoted.

The evidence is there, it is written into the costing of all the 'free giveaways' in the manifesto. Obviously i'm not a mind reader so the details of such changes specifically you may have to ask the shadow Chancellor about.

And considering the tories always try to raise the bottom limit, and I don't see Labour doing this in a million years, the reversal in question is fairly clear. However, I really must make clear i'm not psychic so i'm cannot be quoted on this. Maybe J.C might have a brain transplant and want to help the rich, I don't know.

Ultimately, I am just trying to acknowledge the pitfalls of rampant socialism.

 

when you say everyone would get it, you mean a blanket 'same rate' for everyone? a doctor and a bin man?

 

To answer your question concerning a living wage more broadly. I agree in principle, who woulnd't agree with allowing people their basic right to a healthy life. I sometimes feel as though people think a vote for the tories must mean those voters actually enjoy seeing people in pain. It is just a different approach to the same problem.

I honestly believe a living wage, money permitted, is fine. On the other hand, if not so, I would like to see more effecient government spending, and greater business regulation. In this way, businesses are more able to make more money (less need to tax), but would be not only morally, but legally obliged, to pay more. basically cream businesses, not the government. I am pro capitalist, but I strongly believe it should benefit only 'big' business, but all businesses of varying shapes and sizes.

 

As I understand it yes, in some countries. It's how it should be. It's a civil liberty to choose not to work, or work for yourself. Most people will want a job, nobody has to worry about starving to death. I'm sure the hard up middle class earners of the UK won't like it, but buying property with the sole purpose of charging lower earners who can't get mortgages exorbitant rents is OK.

 

According to the Mirror, Labour is now just one point behind the tories in the polls.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-just-one-point-behind-10554889

 

Only country I know works like that, is Cuba, I gather you have never been.. perhaps you should.

I was brought up in the pit streets of Liverpool, as were my parents.. I am 1 of 4 sisters we all own our own homes, why, because we worked along with our husbands, our kids were brought up the same way..
I think your attitude is typical of the type sat on their arses smoking weed thinking because the government won't legalise that shit, they owe you something, I'm also disabled, but guess what, I'm not on pip, and I work for myself. But you think I'm rich? Ha, your just jealous, because you lack the motivation to do something with your life..

There, now swear all you want at me, my door is open.. you have condemned people here for working, yet you don't know them, you don't know other than the text you read here, and it's your jelousy that makes you bitter, and your lack of doing anything constructive with your life, no one's fault, but your own!

 

Well, you think you know people.

 

You never know people completely by text alone..