Uk General Election 8Th June 2017

You really have nothing sensible to say do you ?
Here I am wasting my time Discussing stuff with you and (again ) you spout Childish Shite or make stuff up
Never mind your mate will be along shortly at least he can almost make sense !!
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/weird-link-between-marijuana-and-radical-islamists-syria
Growing Weed is Illegal

 

ISIS warrants debate surely, but that wasn't the point I was making. Merely one of perception. I haven't a problem with anyone voting for Jeremy Corbyn, and i'm not too hotheaded with my political opinions. Nevertheles but what bothers me at times is an extremely partisan view of many left leaning people who will demonise their opponents, yet are unwilling to accept the similar of exactly the same faults.

I can say. I honestly believe Theresay May is not a credible leader, she has shown a weak and wobbly is exactly that. But I believe in fair capitalism (also known as utopia), and therefore Conservativism. I do not like hearing people like Labour because Conservatives are greedy cunts. They are just looking at the same problem in a different way.

To me, J.C's politics are basically the way of generating mass quantity of something, regardless of its quality. i.e. added capital for this or that. But it doesn't challenge the assumption of quality, i.e. being more effecient with your spending. Take cuts, my family work in the N.H.S and tell me first hand that come budget review, money is wasted as to not reduce next years budgets. Governments could do well to regulate markets, and subsequent spending, as to not have to add additional finances the country doesn't need.

Why is it that on a personal level we are all capable of saving, and applaud it, but when we think of this on a communal level, it's a dirty word. I will concede inequality is a problem, but even with J.C in power, with capitalism having been let to work as it does for years, the tail is wagging the dog. Tax the middle income business owners, employees and customers could also suffer. Poor sense of causality in Labours thinking. But moreover, the tail wage the dog because if we are all so concerned about businesses leaving the country (all we hear about after brexit), why are those who applaud that logic willing to allow corporations to level because they will not pay massive tax increases.

Maybe many of these problems are beyond the reach of one election. but to me, the uber left is not the answer.

 

J.C. - Jesus Christ

 

I know it's illegal, that's the point I was making.

 

http://youtu.be/9dHdIClo5ds

 

Overrated band. I heard their new song today Run. It was pish. Anyway, what do The Foo Fighters have to do with this the election?

 

same as growing weed ! absolutely Fook all

 

Nope. Governments pass legislation on drugs laws in parliament. Plus, I was using weed to illustrate a point, which yet again appears to have gone completely over your head.

 

What was your point then ? explain it to me

 

I thought they weren't going to take the matter any further about this!

Looks like one of the tories have been charged with fraud now, which is only going to make the scum look even less trustworthy to the electorate than they already are.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40129826

 

And Labour !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/labour-facing-questions-over-election-expenses/

Seems they all are !

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alexandra-runswick/election-expenses_b_16146174.html

 

Quelle surprise.

Considering how much the tories recieve in "donations" compared to all the other parties though it seems logical to assume that overspending/trying to buy democracy is a lot easier for the tories.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2017-tory-donors-ten-times-labour-union-money-cash-electoral-commission-a7766756.html

 

I don't. But I am ill with a chronic and eventually going to be terminal condition. So other things like NHS being run down, lack of proper provision for care (if I should need it one day) and cuts to disability benefits do have an impact on me personally.

But that's not my main reason for being anti-tory. For me it's not so much about 'me me' as wider and more pressing issues. As far as I'm concerned, and I've said it over and over, the environment is the big issue we face in our time. It trumps just about everything else. Although I don't have grandchildren, I have a young great nephew. I don't want him to get to my age and have to live with the effects of climate change and pollution in a world where most of the wildlife will be gone. God only knows what kind of economic conditions his generation will face.Or wars potentially over those last few barrels of oil. We'll be long gone by then.

Since I believe that May and her unsavoury associates will not take the action required now, I very much hope they will loose this election.I even think it's possible they'd like to follow Trump and withdraw from the Paris deal. But I know that lots of folks of my generation will be selfish and stupid enough to vote for them. Ripping off the young and ensuring they'll have a life much more impoverished than the baby boomers. I guess some of them erroneously think that they'll send the immigrants packing - I think that's complete BS unless they really do intend to crash the ordinary economy totally and turn this place into a tax haven for corporate and banking elites.

There are may other reasons why I dislike the tories - I really don't have time or inclination right now to set them all out, and what's the point anyway? It's not like anything I say is going to change anyone's mind.

 

Sorry that You are Ill but I know there are a lot of people claiming disability that are healthier than I am Surely You want to stop that (or you would if it was Your tax money paying for it )
Calling people that dont want to vote Labour selfish and stupid is wrong they are no more selfish than you are from your above comments ??
You and dickhead are Full of speculation about what ( could ) happen but very likely wont
And SOMETHING needs doing about Immigration and Terrorism whether you like it or not

 

Good plan. Let's stop everyone getting benefits. That'll stop the benefit cheats. Doesn't matter if anyone dies or children go to school on empty stomachs.

If you vote tory then you are turning a blind eye to the current tory administration's record of human rights abuses, for which they have been criticised by the EU and the UN. if you vote tory then you have blood on your hands.

Who actually votes for the tories? People who aren't suffering hardship, or facing a lifetime on the minimum wage most of which goes on paying ridiculously inflated rents to buy-to-let landlords who probably vote tory. OTOH people who are well off and don't wish to pay their fair share of tax in to the system for the benefit of everyone vote tory. People with an "I'm alright Jack" mentality. Selfish.

I'm not saying nothing needs to be done about immigration and terrorism. I'm sure BBB isn't either.

 

Where does it say they are going to do that ? Do you pay taxes

 

ATOS.

Everybody pays taxes.

 

I worked and paid taxes for many years. I didn't think that I'd then be treated like a criminal when I became ill. But that's how I feel I was treated by the DWP under the tories, even though I passed their fucked up so called assessment.

Personally I doubt May and Co are going to save us from terrorism. They haven't made much of a job of it so far. I don't trust a word they say, and you can say it's speculation, but let's wait and see.
I think people are selfish when they take the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude towards the young. The main way they do so is as I said over the environmental issues. The economic realities facing young people today are bleak to say the least, but I consider that secondary. In a toxified world, with potentially millions of climate refugees, it's all going to seem a but churlish IMO to those who look back at the way it was for people of our age group. If the tories win this time, I can see a war between old and young coming. And I won't be blaming the young.

I didn't say we should do nothing about immigration or terrorism. But given the record, and the facts that there's been no decrease in immigration since they got in, and that that under Cameron their role in Libya has probably stoked up the terror threat even further, I don't trust the tories to deal with it. Did they keep those kids up your way safe? Do they have any realistic plans to deal with it? I haven't heard anything about it if they do.
And with immigration - maybe some of the Euro immigrants will be chucked out - but not the Muslims who are Empire people. Probably they'll have to get more of them in fact to plug the gaping hole getting rid of the Europeans will leave. And I don't think getting pensioners to pick fruit as suggested by one tory luminary is even worth bothering to comment on.

Don't get me wrong - I'm only voting Labour because it's not realistic to expect the Greens to win round here - I'm not expecting any miracles if Corbyn should win. But maybe a change of tone would be nice, and a government that actually has the interests of ordinary people at heart. I really don't think the tories do.

 

Disability allowances and Social security payments are not taxed unless you receive other income

Link me to where the Conservatives said they are going to stop all legitimate claims ?