Uk General Election 8Th June 2017

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  1. alrighthalfleft

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  2. The Walking Dickhead

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    A comparison of the various party's current policy on cannabis.

    Looks like, even if Labour get in power there's not much chance of it being legalised any time soon. The Lib dems are in favour of complete legalisation, as are the greens but Labour is only prepared to ge so far as medical.

    Not sure shy they decided to omit the SNP's policy on cannabis, they haven't said much but have indicated they might be prepared to consider legalising it for medical.

    Best hope is for a hung parliament and a progressive alliance, with the lib dems pushing for legalisation on at least the medical front as part of their respective party compromises.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/legalising-cannabis-labour-tory-policies-10486459

    The tories, elected on a mandate of 24% of the electorate vote in 2015 are still enforcing their nasty prohibition laws on this country.

    Time to vote these bastards out.
     
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  4. morrow

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    Free milk for school kids, and free school meals.. better way to waste working people's taxes..
     
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  7. The Walking Dickhead

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    OK, so rather than legalising cannabis and helping people with illnesses, pain relief etc., effectively reducing binge drinking and the strain it puts on the emergency services, we should instead use tax money to feed school kids?

    Forgive me if your logic, yet again, escapes me.

    legalising cannabis wouldn't cost the tax payer anything, it would save the tax payer millions, perhaps billions on wasted police resources enforcing the prohibition laws. Instead of that, and lining the pockets of criminals who use illegal Chinese immigrants to grow poor quality weed we could regulate and tax the market and raise billions in extra tax revenue.

    Further to that, rather than the police and the NHS also wasting their time dealing with synthetic cannabis overdoses everybody would have access to properly grown cannabis, with real medicinal value.

    But that would make too much sense, and of course, drugs are bad mmkay.
     
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  8. morrow

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    And sell it to each other.. look out side the box. UK is not ready for what you want. Like I said, it's already legalised with cbd.. but yeah, it's not enough for some people. Addicts! There is pain relief out there, UK doctors are some of the best in the world. Don't see many joining the campaign, think I trust them more than a handful of addicts who want it for free..
     
  9. The Walking Dickhead

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    I already explained to you the so called CBD cannabis vaporisers on the market are not real medicinal cannabis extracts, they are produced from hemp which has hardly any medicinal effect. So no, this is not enough. People want THC and CBD from properly grown medicinal cannabis plant, not some piss poor low strength nanny state alternative.

    The UK is ready for legalisation and has been for a long time.

    Professor Nutt, and many other informed GPs are in favour of legalising. I know, because I've spoken to them pesonally.

    I also take exception at your suggestion that people who use cannabis are addicts.
     
  10. alrighthalfleft

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    another election broadcast from the NASTY party http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDMSJig_SHs
     
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  11. morrow

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    Perhaps that's because I've never met someone that uses cannabis and it appears to do them any good.. just numbs their brain, makes them paranoid, and they believe it does them good.
    Strange comparable, they also either drink too much, smoke, and are no longer the friendly people they were.. they are the only ones that want it legalised, yet think the NHS should supply it!
    You say cbd is no good, yet sales are increasing, and suppliers are running out.. why?
    I was around in the days when weed was a pleasant weekend trip, now it's other drugs, and weed is the stabilisation.. no, I hope it's never legalised
     
  12. morrow

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    Ok, read this, you can't argue with knowledge..

    When you get to CBD.. click on the indication.. as far as I'm concerned, it's better than cannabis, less harmful, and a good addition to a person's regulated medication.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid
     
  13. The Walking Dickhead

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    "CBD" sales are increasing because people want medicinal cannabis, simple as. I don't know personally what this hemp crap is like but I've talked to people about it and the world on the street is it's crap.

    Cannabis is a highly complex plant with hundreds of chemicals that all interact with one another to produce subtly different effects. Hemp is hemp. Highly nutritious, but not much good for pain releif and fuck all good if you want to get high.

    I know plenty of people who sit around all day drinking frosty jack cider, smoking crap amber leaf joints and every now and again one of them drops dead of a heart attack or gets cancer and dies. That's their own lifestyle choice. It's not mine though.

    If it was legalised and regulated, like it is in other countries then people would see a different side to it more. I meet people all the time out hillwalking, my neighbours see me weight training in my garden on a sunny day, working hard on the garden, sweat pouring out of my forehead. But none of them know that half an hour ago I just smoked a bowl of hash. (the times when I can acquire such, of quality)

    So people see what they want to see. They don't understand that there's a whole other universe out there. They only see the side of it the Daily Fail wants them to see.

    I resent being tarred with the same brush as those who abuse cannabis, and are too lazy to even walk round to the corner to the off licence for another bottle of cider.
     
  14. morrow

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    You just said it, to get high, it's the getting high that causes the problem, that's the damage elements..

    CBD does work for some people, but yeah, won't get you high.. and it's not free.

    I use it, and it helps me.. if you haven't tried it, how can you diss it?
    I've tried cannabis, it is like taking an anaesthetic. Why would I want to do that? Might as well take morphine with your breakfast every day..

    If you have pain, you need relief, if your depressed with life, you don't want cannabis, you need help.
     
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    No getting high isn't the cause of any problems. Getting high is good.

    Research indicates that recreational use of cannabis can help prevent lots of age related illnesses, including alzheimers. It promotes cell development in the brain and can even reverse damage from alcoholism.

    I'll try it some time. But I also want to get high, and it doesn't come with good reviews.

    Cannabis helps with my depression, it motivates me to do lots of things. it isn't bad for me.

    I just need my basic civil liberty back to use it, grow it, learn about the plant. I'm interested in the botanics of it as well.

    That's what I need, and it's my right. I certainly don't need any more condescension from poorly informed anti-cannabis activists like yourself.
     
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    This issue needs to be dealt with, but as it isn't really on the agenda in this election maybe another place would be better to discuss. The ignorance surrounding drugs in general in this country is stupefying, and I think a lot of re-education is going to be needed before we see any progress.

    The war on drugs has been a spectacular multi-billion pound failure. Other more progressive countries such as Canada are legalizing pot. It's only going to be a matter of time before it's widely legal in many places.
    But what we really need is a review of all drug policy. I am in favour of David Nutt's idea of creating a 'class d' classification for alcohol and tobacco, as it seems that many addicts of these substances don't even realize it's a drug they're using. Millions die from them, but we're supposed to think they're OK whilst cannabis which in and of itself has never killed anyone as far as I know is demonized.
    It's an insane situation. But the LibDems scheme is no good, and I think we're going to have to wait sometime before anything will change.

    As I no longer smoke, for me it's not a personal thing. Medical cannabis though should be available - and if the patient has to pay for it that's fine by me.
     
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  18. morrow

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    When have politicians not lied about figures?

    When have any...
     
  19. The Imaginary Being

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    white teenagers with dreads arguing all the medical benefits of weed. but having not ever suffered any of these illnesses what difference would it make to them? they just want it legalised so they can bong it up.

    i'm indifferent to cannabis, but if they want to make it better available for those with extended alignments, thats fine. if people want it recreationally, just say so and not drag other groups through the dirt to get your personal agenda.

    if i were asked whether the legalisation of cannabis should happen now, my answer would be no. when i used to work a couple years ago with some younger kids in a cafe, i learned that the next generation are not smokers, drinkers, drug users, in quite the same way as my generation was. just looking at it fundamentally, i would just like to see how this will play out. from my experience, where cannabis is used for pleasure, the risks of additional drugs (roll up tobacco, not necessary class A, B trajectory) does increase.
     
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    Most politicians are congenital liars. Some are more prone to lying than others though, and this current lot of tories should get an award for the most lies told by a serving government. But given the threats we now face, is this a good time to be cutting police budgets? And especially when the money is only going to swell the already bloated bank accounts of their elitist chums.

    Anyway, a few alternative election posters from the pages of the Guardian.

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