U.K Covid-19: Dec 2020

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by WOLF ANGEL, Dec 5, 2020.

  1. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    DECEMBER:
    Following on form the original 'November Lockdown' Thread, (by Joshua Tree)
    How are things going with people? especially during the Yule period that includes the celebrations of the 'Christ mass?
    The Tier system - especially in those in Tier 3, makes life hard family get-togethers and general social liaison.
    This coupled with the onset of Winter will certainly have an effect on folk, - especially the old and vulnerabe.
    Any Plans, tips experiences - ideas to overcome adversity?
     
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  2. Mysteron

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    I'm hoping Wolfie that we will be in Tier 2 shortly .

    Many of our boroughs are already less than the London average . At roughly a 25% reduction daily we should all be less than London who are currently onlY seeing 2% reductions by the time the reassessment comes around on 16th December.
     
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  3. WOLF ANGEL

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    I don't that Manchester will be down-graded - (unless it's for a short period so we can spend all our money to help the economy) - our defiance will be remembered,
    Still, you know what they say, if a directive is unjust, - we take it as ... "Guidance"
     
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  4. WOLF ANGEL

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    Meanwhile in Mancheser:
    Another week / first of Lockdown to Tier three, sees No change.
    Tier Three to Tier Two won't make much difference - The Christ mass period will see family interaction regardless of whatever guidelines are out there.
    Parties will be had, and do we want the Police wasting there time arguing with folk who've had a drink/two fining, them potentially arresting them, especeially after the recent scathing reports.
    Given the lack of funding there is, VFM is being scrutinised so much that it seems fruitless to police a Covid Christmas.
     
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  5. WOLF ANGEL

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    So I see another loophole in the system,
    Problem: Tier 3, can't go out for a drink/meal romantic liaison
    Solution: Book into a hotel for a 'holiday break' in a Tier 2 area
    = Must be okay, because the person has posted pictures of doing so on FB !?!
     
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  6. Mysteron

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    Well I am quite optimistic based on the above of getting some more of our freedoms back . We have 6 boroughs including my home town now below the National Average . I have witnessed more and more people working hard and trying to keep to the restrictions as best as they can . I will also be keeping an eye on London to see if they get any preferential treatment . I think the Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham will also be watching the latter as well.

    I think the timing will be great if restrictions are eased next week and will lift the morale of the population of Gtr Manchester who have had it pretty hard.
     
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  7. WOLF ANGEL

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  8. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill HipForums Supporter

    Covid Christmas Celebrations:=
     
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  9. WOLF ANGEL

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    Latest Odds for National Lockdown December 28th?
    Methinks it's odds on that the North at set for Tier 4
     
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  10. Candy Gal

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    I see the Isle of Wight jumped from Tier I to Tier 3
     
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  12. wilsjane

    wilsjane Members

    As we all know. corona 19 and future viruses are with us to stay, just as they have been since the dawn of time.

    Since 95% of ALL deaths involve a virus during the final 72 hours, determining which deaths are PRIMARILY caused by the virus is an almost impossible task. The figure is less than 1%.
    It is VITAL that these people have an ICU bed within a few hours in order to save their life, so separating them from the 1,500 people who die in the UK every day is a logistical nightmare.
    This is the ENTIRE reason for slowing the spread of covid down and we have succeeded not to overwhelm our hospitals in the UK so far.
    Pictures of ambulances lining up outside hospitals look alarming, but they are purely to get the message home. Most of the occupants of these ambulances range from drunks, drug addicts and homeless, to everyday medical conditions and those panicking about a nasty cold.
    However those with category A emergency, such as cardiac arrest, strokes and severe diabetic shock go straight to the front of the que. Sorting all this out is a huge strain on NHS front line A&E staff.

    Regarding the lockdowns, emphasis is being placed on idiots who show disregard for others safety, rather than minor transgressions of the rules.
    We talk a lot about bubbles. How about allowing people who need to go out for a few drinks as an important part of their social life to register at ONE bar and not allowing them to enter any other licenced premises.? Surely it would slow these sudden area surges down. Not ideal for everyone, but it could prevent the need to close all the bars time and again.
     
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    6 hrs ago
    Covid: No further deaths reported in Dorset's hospitals

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    NO further patients have died with Covid-19 in Dorset hospitals, according to the latest data.

    Data released by Public Health Dorset on December 26 shows no deaths have been recorded in hospitals in Dorset.

    The last reported deaths in the county’s hospitals occurred on December 23 when three were confirmed by University Hospitals Dorset.

    Since the start of the pandemic, a total of 324 hospital patients have died with the coronavirus in Dorset.

    NHS England said another 161 people who tested positive for the Coronavirus have died.

    The total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals in England is now 48,311.

    Patients were aged between 44 and 100 years old.

    All except eight (aged 64 to 94 years old) had known underlying health conditions.

    Date of death ranges from 17 to December 25, 2020.
     
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  15. WOLF ANGEL

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    As expected, the word of BJ is lis like paper in the wind when it comes to knowing the North.
    Living within an area that has a history of non-compliene - be it wihtin a diverse Student populas or through a gene pool of descendants this was always going to happen.
     
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  16. wilsjane

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    Almost all the deaths that involved underlying health conditions would have happened as a result the first virus they contracted. Sadly, when ANY virus level is high, these people have their life cut short by about a month.
    The remaining 8 death figure is in line with the number of unexpected deaths that happen all the time.

    Now that the most vulnerable sector are being vaccinated, it is likely that our daily TOTAL mortality rate will drop below average and the average mortality rate for 2020 and 21 will be very close to the 5 year average.

    However, we still need to be careful not to overwhelm the NHS, since a small number of people will still need ICU treatment in order to survive.

    If lessons are learned from 2020, we may all live a few months longer, probably more if we are in a care home.
    However, this will not show in mortality figures after the first few years. You need to thing very carefully to understand this reasoning.

    It is the average AGE of death that shows the standard of health in a country.
    United Kingdom Male, 79.5 years. Female, 83.1 years.
    This figure is fairly average for the developed world.
     
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  17. WOLF ANGEL

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    I've never liked Stats. Albeit the hold the truth of fact, they can hold falsehood.
    Figures collated and used need to be accurate - and in my experience they never are.
    'Reported' numbers - are only those 'reported.
    Deaths from 'Covid' have soared, but how many have been 'tick-boxed' into that category?
    "Winter is here", and it is traditionally a time when the vulnerable fall under its' icy cold' finger - it will be interesting to see a breakdown of the Death figures from now to March, but only as a N.B.
    A (Flu, Cancer, 'old-age' - v Covid) distinction seems difficult to judge, and as for a Vaccine, with the different strains that are being discovered, an assurance of certainty is perhaps a hope forlorn (?)
     
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