Two pieces of bad news!

No doubt at all that the Soviet system of so called communism was very bad.

However, it was a moderate and democratic type of socialism in this country that gave us the NHS, proper out of work and sickness benefits etc. The idea wasn't to kill capitalism, but to tame it, and spread the wealth a bit more evenly. To some extent it was a success for a while. In the end it was undermined as much by the hard left as by the tories.

But I don't think we will ever get back to anything like that in the UK. On the other hand what we seem to have now is the rich taking care of the rich, and screw everyone else.

Really governments today all over the world appear to be little more than front men for big business. But I don't think doing away with governments is at all even a remote possibility.

 

They take everything they can, even from the working man, and just when you think you cant take any more, and your realisation is, bread or heat...the bastards give them selves a rise that equates to more than some people are allowed to live on...kick in the teeth, or what?

 

Morrow
That was almost poetic, i like it

 

It's the standard formula for selling a worse fate to the feckless. Things are made tough, the wealthy and the system are blamed, the propaganda for socialism and communism gets floated around by snake heads and instead of standing and fighting things as they are to make things work like they should, people get lured to this false and poison promise that "the government will take care of them" - it's just the dynamic of what happens when voting people get the idea they can vote their selves welfare. Dictatorship historically follows democracy, on the textbook pattern we are seeing now.
I am just not so sure it's going to go as smoothly as planned and this seems to be more of a slam dunk ie depop and police state. But it's really just a manufactured trick and if you think "the rich just get richer" now, wait until the phony game of communism takes over and no one ever has a chance, but the rich get really richer. There's a percentage of people so worthless they will be commies just to not have to work - they fail to see their future of working in a slave camp or rotting in a ditch.
Capitalism has not "run it's course" anymore than the uk's system has. Capitalism has simply gotten closer to completing it's course, with the by-product of all these people around, half wanting a chance like everybody else and half just stupid freeloaders. I don't think the rotten version of the "American Dream" is going to come true. I don't see people with the power and money supporting a bunch of people because that doesn't happen. How far gone do you have to be to convince yourself, even though history repeats and we have
seen this many times before not just in history but in modern times as well. But, as far as we know in the us, we are still going to exercise our voting power and demand that some of the lawlessness and corruption gets under control. That's until a major political change happens at least, and they do try and get away with this dictator play - we'll just have to see how all that goes. But socialism/communism/fascism are never the answers, or people might choose them when times are good....they don't. They're always tricked and forced when times have been made bad, with that intent. That would seem glaringly obvious to anybody.

 

Whose intent was it to create the conditions in Germany after WWI for the rise of Hitler?

 

The same people as now - the ones with the financial power who have decided that the money goes uphill now and doesn't come back down. In the past it would have been a smaller move, like Germany. In our mega-times though it appears to be a more global effort. When our homeless and starvation numbers get up there a bit more, we'll be caught up to what is happening in other places.

 

In fact to some extent, the stronger the government, the weaker the society...