Two Nypd Officers Murdered Execution Style

Two NYPD officers were shot, execution style, in their car this afternoon.
Reportedly, a gang member from Baltimore did the shooting.

“I’m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours...Let’s Take 2 of Theirs,” Brinsley wrote on Instagram alongside a photo of a silver handgun.

Brinsley made good on his promise, firing several rounds into the patrol car parked near Myrtle and Tompkins Aves., witnesses said.

“The perp came out of the houses, walked up behind the car and lit them up,” a high-ranking police official told the Daily News.

Brinsley then sprinted around the corner to the Myrtle-Willoughby Aves. subway station where he shot himself in the head, police said. He was later pronounced dead.

“They basically dragged two cops out their car,” a second witness said. “I saw it. One was shot in the face. There was blood coming out of his face.”
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_now_both_nypd_police_officers_have_died_from_execution_style_shooting

 

Apparently, the gunman had just murdered his girlfriend this morning.

http://topconservativenews.com/2014/12/two-nypd-officers-killed-execution-style-by-28-yr-old-black-male/

http://cliffviewpilot.com/warnings-of-assassins-intent-arrive-as-2-nypd-officers-are-executed/

http://nypost.com/2014/12/20/2-nypd-cops-shot-execution-style-in-brooklyn/

 

Damn!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pCQS6_hJ28

 

Whatever.

I mean, it's too bad people died.... but cops actually execute people in the streets all the time, a few cops getting attacked? They've had it coming a real long time - you can be a "good cop", and you still have a whole lot to answer for, considering the company you keep and conduct you engage in, by the nature of the job...

An assailant attacking people and managing to kill them, even if they never had a chance, doesn't have the same "execution" connotations as an individual acting with the authority of the law conducting extra-judicial killings, police fashion. Of course cops would like to call it an execution, it's always the poor cops who are under such attack, and just have to defend themselves.....

That kid was reaching for his diaper man, you never know what he was going to pull out of there... but when cops get murdered, it's execution.... uh-huh....

 

Baltimore.

 

No. I don't believe in guilt by association.

Who knows what kind of cops they were. Cops seems to be kind of polarized in my opinion, either they are really there to serve and protect, or they are there to abuse power. Maybe there is more of a grey area than I realize.

 

Corrected.

 

Execution-style is what is being said about the way those two were killed today.

 

Well to be sure - because it's such an execution when it's a cop dying.

Of course, this doesn't bring an execution to mind, other than the fact that somebody ended up dead. Everything that makes an execution an execution? Not so much here.

Where the hell have you been keeping your head?

When you're part of a jackbooted club of thugs, yes, you do acquire some guilt by your association with them. It's not a matter of bad apples, it's not even a matter of good cops/bad cops, it's a matter of the whole nature of american law enforcement and law enforcement culture. There are some mild mannered individuals, and there are some old guys who have not taken on newer and more scary tactics, but they are very clearly the minority - even potentially good people work in a toxic environment and culture that causes them to act as, in effect "bad cops".

I'm not the least bit interested in two cops being shot, but I am interested in the culture that would let it be much of an issue. Cops are supposed to have a dangerous job, where they absorb danger for the purpose of shielding others, even if it means getting shot or hurt or killed in the line of duty. It's too bad in the sense that people died, but in the sense that cops got shot, nobody was executed and this doesn't mean anything needs some huge review so that they can per-emptively shoot even more children to keep cops safer, or whatever. It's not a very dangerous job, but they are dangerous people to be around for non-cops.

Just like if someone ran up on two hell's angels and killed them both: it's sad that two people died, even though they were part of a violent gang of thugs who terrorize people in their territory, that's not what they're being judged for, they're not being tried, but it is still okay to point out that they were actually scum, and that we don't need to get in a tiff about protecting their fellow gang members.



You are 29x more likely to be killed by a police officer in america than by a terrorist - we do not need to worry about the guy killing 2 cops, we need to worry about the opposite: the two dead cops killing, on average (if you consider this an act of terrorism, which it's not - but just wait for them to call it that) 14.5 people.


It's great that some people are good, that some people are reformers, that some people are compassionate - we need more of those people to be cops - but just because there's good cops doesn't mean that by default they are your friend, your guardian, your servant or protector, or even safe to be around. If you're around a cop, you are wildly disproportionately likely to die violently, that's the simple fact. We shouldn't just assume these guys are guilty of anything or deserved it (any more than we should assume that of people the cops kill), but it would be highly foolish to assume they're any less guilty than most door-smashing marijuana-arresting corgi-shooting cops, or that they need any super special attention. Not only is giving them attention bad because it will worsen the law enforcement culture (protect cops and keep them safe from any degree of risk at all times, at everybody else's expense), it's bad because excessive or disproportionate news coverage of senseless violence....get ready.... encourages and causes more senseless violence.

 

When they've been killed execution style, that's exactly how it's been reported.

Maybe you don't understand everything you think you do about execution style murder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution-style_murder

 

Yeah, running up on a car and killing the occupants doesn't make it an execution.


An execution involves a deliberate killing by someone with (some degree of) custody of the victim, and implies specific target choice and purpose. A murder after a quick scuffle is not inherently "execution style", it's just a murder that went fast.

If the cops had been disarmed and killed deliberately, it would be execution. As it was, they died an a fight. A fight doesn't inherently start fairly, and not seeing it coming doesn't make it execution.

It's wrong to kill people - but this is still not execution. There will be media that will frantically blur lines and try to paint this as execution and cops as constant victims in a lot of danger, but that's still not what it is, and there's no reason to paint it as that other than to stroke police and help them gain more power - which directly leads to less power and more danger for the public.

It needs to be discussed, but in the context of saving the general public from a police response which we can generally assume will involve power-grabs and increased use of violence.


What makes an execution an execution is the degree of control the killer has over the situation. Shooting someone in the back is indubitably poor sportsmanship, but is not inherently execution.

 

Dude...smoke another one.

This was planned and posted on instagram.

He killed his girlfriend because she was going to report him earlier in the day.

It wasn't after a scuffle.

He walked up and shot them through the passenger window.

 

My choice to use or not use drugs has nothing to do with this - depending on how you read that, it's either an ad hominem on me or an illogical smear on weed - or both. I don't think it lightens things, or advances this conversation.

Premeditated murder is still murder, that's why they have a name for it..... in fact, it's pretty much the gold standard for murder, it's "murder 1".

As for a scuffle, I read somewhat conflicting accounts, even within your post - if they were both successfully dragged from the car before being killed, that could be an execution, depending on other details - as it is, it seems like that language was only ever intended as a red-herring, to support "execution".

Running up to someone, and killing them just like you planned beforehand, is very clearly first degree murder. That's all it is - the heartstring-tugging language to make everyone sympathize with the cops is out of place, and appears inspired by recent situations where police have done things that could be considered execution (because of the power dynamics).

I understand that it's just a semantics game, but it's a very important one. Our country currently loves seeing everything in ridiculous extremes and hysterical absolutes (where they should not be used - we get absolutely no absolutes when they're actually needed), and letting this sort of thing slide lets people get acclimated to definition-breaking excuses for heavy handed tactics. There are fine words for things like murder, just because something is bad doesn't mean you elevate it to something it's not - you just treat it as what it is, which is bad, but one specific kind of bad, not just the worst word you can think of.


Maybe if he'd killed three cops, it would be a "holocaust style" murder?

 

Wasn't one cop Asian and the other white? If one or both was/were black and the shooter was white would there be a different take on the story?

 

Gotta go with Roo here, it definitely isn't an execution. If you watch an IS execution, you can clearly see the victim is in a kneeling position, and is without a weapon with which to defend themselves. The cops were attacked and killed, they were not dragged out of the car, told to drop their weapons, to get on their knees and then look the guy in the eye when he shot them.

 

I think the argument should stop when the following words come in to play. (not having a go at anyone buuuut...)

"I read"

Right there, quit while you're ahead. One person reads an innacurate source, another responds with an innacurate source. I think when things are "reportedly" said to happen.. You just like, you don't even come online and post as truth.

As for execution style, perception differs. Heck, ISIS execute by beheading... Far different from firearms. So what constitutes an execution? I ain't no terrorist or gang banger, but to me... an execution is nothing less than murder? With a stupid justification.

 

'execution-style killing, is an act of criminal murder where the perpetrator kills at close range a conscious victim who is under the complete physical control of the assailant and who has been left with no course of resistance or escape'

 

Sorry dude, you sound ridicilous. Even if certain cops would be executing people in the streets "all the time" (which seems already an exaggeration) that still doesn't have anything to do with 2 other cops in New York.

 

^^^
That's the definition I linked to from Wikipedia.

 

No, actually it's neither.

It's expression of speech that's older than you are.