two hits of blotter and i was gone...

I'll leave it to the others.

Micheal and his bullshit- or geckopelli.

Who knows what about drugs?

Experience aside, look it up in the medical literature of the 60's- when it was legally used in theraphy.

 

"unless you couldnt stop laughing it wasnt lsd"

thats a useless comment from someone thats completely ignorant of psychedelic effects.. I think probably like 90percent of my trips that didnt happen. maybe some giggling here and there lol.. but no uncontrollable luaghter.. and if you want to tell me this isnt lsd.. come on over and try some...

there probably has never been any single dose that was 500ug

even the sandoz pharm. delysid doses were like 200 or 250
ram dass's own private batch was 250ug

a 100ug per dose is a really good dose these days

and theres a big different between 125ug & 500ug.. the main biggest huge different is one is a psycholytic dosage and one is a psychedelic dosage.. and if you dont know anything about the huge differences in those two types of experiences, then you have no idea how lsd works.

and on top of that.. why do so many people think that all lsd is "lsa".. lsa is nothing its the bottom of the barrel psychedelic that is no where near confused as being lsd.. and ive never seen one thing say that doses have been found to be lsa instead of lsd (from a good reliable source.. not some random person on the forums or some shitty geocities website which some people think are 'realiable')

 

Yea bozo- or at least I was the chemical engineer who assited.

Not some spoiled rich kid with a jesus complex who knows not shit.

I'm been a underground professional for 30 years- what do you do besides suck daddy's wallet and talk bullshit?

Even the neophyte who ask the original question could smell your crap.

 

I'm hardly an expert on LSD, though I think I can point out a few misconceptions in this thread:

LSA has not been or ever will be sold as LSD; these two substances are a world apart and anyone planning to rip people off would obviously find the flaws in manufacturing LSA when untreated blotter paper would be much more profitable...of course Michael would know this, considering his experience manufacturing crystalline LSD (which, oddly enough, he can't ever seem to find). Mind giving us a quick rundown on the method you used for manufacture?

500 mics of LSD will NOT fit on a standard piece of blotter paper; 400 mics is the limit if laid with even the most high-powered liquid. Doses of over 750 mics HAVE been found in single "hits," however, according to Erowid, this has only been the case of the Orange Barrels that were making the rounds back in '63 (IIRC). Most LSD these days is going to be laid at 150-200 mics / hit tops, considering the abundance in silver liquid going around.

Next time we decide to go on with a 4-page pissing contest, maybe we should do a little research first.

 

It's been more than 15 years since I encountered 100+ mikes in a single hit.

Since I do know what I'm talking about, I'll explain something:

Traditional LSD manufacturing creates iso-lsd as well as regular lsd (in equal quanities), and iso-lsd has the effect of altering and/or nuetralizing the lsd high. Another step is needed- one which converts the iso to the desired form of lsd. It's the efficentcy of this step that actually determines the quality of the dose.

100 mikes of lsd when 50 are actually iso is bunk. 30% iso is crap, no matter the dosage.

 

Yea, isn't that the difference between say fluff and silver? Impurities, obviously. Geck: I'm only partially burned ;-), but I like to trip hard, and with all blotter I have sampled, four is what is needed to get the level of visuals that I like.

 

once again michael.. i'm sure since you are ten years older you must know so much more than a wee 19 year old girl. you're being an asshole. i know it was acid. yes, we did laugh all night. and yes there was trippy shit going on. like i said earlier, i did not sit down to explain my whole trip.

 

thank you everyone else who put michael in his well deserved place...

 

Hey, I've had some pretty good lsa trips.

 

Eh, that kind of condradicts itself.

 

I think she means before the trip she had bad anxiety and moodswings...

*double-takes*

Is that regular type you're using?!?!?!?!?!

 

Dude.... two hits is not going to "make you one with the universe." This is called ego-death, and normally isn't achieved til the psychedelic level (500+ mcg). Maybe if she was eating owsley acid, it was like 270 or 370 micrograms a dose, but hey it's not the 60's, it's 2005.

 

wouldnt that be awsome if doses were loaded at 350ug these days. then you woulnnt have to eat so damn much of it to achive the desired effect.

 

but you gotta also remember that when someone has never experienced full ego-loss.. the lower end of tripping is still incredibly mind blowing...

and isnt the psychedelic dose around 200-250 (pretty sure in a lot of the harvard experiements there were giving ppl like 200-250ish and they were experiencing egoloss)

but then once you kinda 'step through the door' and see it all on the other side, the egoless side.. you dont always need to have as much to get there.. that is if you learn how to get there in a way.. where you can use even a small dose to give you that little boost into the void..

 

yes... peace AFTER the trip i experienced the "no worries" thing.

 

i notice that most people who have no idea what ego loss is or even who timothy leary was.. they tend to never have those kind of experiences.. last spring when me and some people I knew had a bunch of doses.. I was having incredible experiences.. becuase i read a lot of leary's work and did a ton of research on both psychedelics, meditation, eastern religion (tibetan book of the dead for the most part) and I was having incredible journeys within, being in completely different places, also being just a single little point of awareness, watching layers of my ego/personality slowly drift away in different forms of manifestation, watching myself die and becoming light... there is nothing at all in this reality that can describe that feeling of when you first start to 'loosen' where youve got your eyes closed and you feel like this gap between you and your body.. its like this huge release of tension and pressure that you never really knew was there till you feel whats its like without it.. then I get commonly (but ive also heard and read about a lot of others getting this too) this burning smell.. and all sorts of sounds.. sometimes like sizzling and popping and crackling and shit.. its like my circuitry is being overloaded.. or some new part of my hardware is becoming active... then if you can keep your mind turned off.. its like you just slip out.. well sometimes you go through more of a transitional phase... and also those times where everything begins to get white around the edges.. and then the whiteness starts to overtake the whole closed eye visual and it seems to almost melt alway your vision into just whiteness.. and its so god damn bright that you might get some urge that you have to open your eyes (which is like the opposite of say having your eyes open and something bright makes you close them lol) and it also gets to be burning hot.. so hot that you can feel your body melt and disinigrate away... but I dont know much bout that.. Ive only been able to hold it for a very very short time becuase it just gets too bright and hot and even when I am not with my body it still like makes my body react.. idk. it wasnt something I experienced often.. and that would be only on a few hits... was good stuff then tho.. and being a psychedelic virgin helped lol... but anyway back to what I think i was saying in the beginning.. I know people that did like 6, 7, 8 or more hits off the same exact sheet... and they had no idea what I was talking about, which doesnt really make you feel to comfortable when everyone you know is like wtf.. and dont believe you and well.. some of you probably know what I mean. Like if i did like even 6 hits.. idk what would have happened.. there was a time on 3 where I thought I had fucked my mind cuase i should have been down but I was still up in the clouds... idk.. its just like when ppl are ignorant of these effects and dont even know they exsist.. then they wont have any thought form there to manifest anything... I mean, most of the people I know after hearing bout one of my trips or something say shit like "wow thats a bad trip" and shit like that.. like wtf bad trip? ya man being without your body... and your normal mind" .. huh wtf are you doing psychedelics for if you dont know what they are really offering you.. thats why when some of these kind of things happen to people that arent able to understand them (cuase they try to usually use rational reasoning) they get sucked into a negative experience.. and that more often happens on larger doses where more and more of the strings holding their ego on get broken


i just wrote a damn novel there... wtf is wrong with me... i'm not even reading through it again to fix any mistakes or something i left out.. so if you see something.. my bad lol.. what can i say....

 

I'll agree it takes practice.. like the 1st few times you get tossed on a loop through a funhouse.. but after a bit.. you get the hang of it... you understand more of 'what you need to do' in a sense...but I do think there is a point you can reach where you can do it only once and a while and still gain something from it.. Like mostly after you have already been into it for a bit, you can decrease how often you do it becuase you are able to take more away from each individual experience and use it to its maximum potential.. but in the beginning there is so much information there that it takes quite a few times till the rush from opening the flood gates slows down a bit, call it the sea of chaos (to qoute leary)...

I have tripped around roughly.. jeez i cant remember, i'd have to look it up and count the dates.. but its around probably 40-50 times, and thats all in just over a year (started on march 1st I believe last year) and there was a span close to 3months where I tripped once a week.. but supply went down a bit lol and I slowly decreased the amount... then took a month off.. then did it all again but only for about a month.. then I went to 2 times a month and that ended in mid-november.. tho I did do mushrooms 1 a week for 3 weeks in i believe jan.... i still had no acid over the winter.. then just the past 3 weeks ive done acid 4 times.. and suddenly its like BANG! oh yeah.. i remember now.. wow.. wow...wow.. wow.. (about 1000 more times).. and its nice to have a feeling again of being a little closer to 'home' and ive got enough to trip once a week for around 2 months.. so i'm looking forward to it...

and i'd have to say one of my main driving forces is curiosity...

 

Nice read there, LostChord.

I know what you mean about the OOBE...everyone I trip with seems so attached to the physical world while they're tripping; changing the music, fooling with lights, talking to one another about this and that...then they find it strange that I'm sitting there, speechless, wrapped up in a blanket sitting on the edge of the couch staring off into space.

The smell I get from LSD is sort of flowery...it smells "blue and/or green". It encompasses my insides like I'm drowning in some sort of slime.

It seems that as many people trip, hardly any actually "tune-in" to the effects; I've tripped with so many people, yet, none of them seem to learn anything after their experiences. It's not that they're more experienced, as I've seen this with people who have only trippped once or twice; which is the reason I'm confused when kids these days talk about tripping. They make nothing of the experience, and it makes you wonder...do they know what tripping really is, and just find it to be so inconsequencial that discussion of the matter isn't totally relevent? Or are they so afraid that they keep themselves grounded during the experience, and their conscience blocks any recollection of it due to trauma? This thought came to mind when my friend was talking about a past mushroom trip, where he "started feeling weird and kept blacking out?"

I also agree with your feelings of familiarity...once you've experienced that level of conscience, you never really walk away from it. It's worse than any drug addiction I've ever encountered; no matter what I'm doing, somewhere, in that corner of my mind..it's there.

 

..like where everything (i mean like seriously just about everything) becomes 'psychedelic' in meaning.. like whenever you hear see taste smell any or whatever the 1st thought in your mind is psychedelic related...

and yeah people definitly try to tie themselves down by being all figidity.. and its something so different thats happening to them that they have no idea of what it is and theyve never heard anything really about it and whatnot and they get that fear.. which i still get now.. (but i can usually kinda luagh at it and realize how rediculous fear is especially of myself.. and I can say goodbye to it and let it float away...) but they might get like that panic or fear and grab ahold of it becuase its the ego fighting so they take the ego's side and hold onto it.. Ive even offered to have like 'sessions' for a few other people that i know so kinda show them it all (not the words i wanted to use tho) but theyre like not interested.. i dont get it.. like i even told them id give them a few books to read (well id make them read it 1st anyway lol) and theyre like.. oh i gotta read.. forget it.. like wtf its the best reading ever.. lol ive read some of these books in one sitting (mainly the psychedelic experience, read that probably like 100 times lol so maybe thats why i can read it so fast and really get into it) i dont know.. like ive always kinda assumed they were scared.. even if they didnt really know it.. they were scared inside somewhere.. like that little part of the ego was like.. whoa not a good idea for me.. lol.. idk

and ive always (after my 1st true psychedelic experience) firmly believed that "experience" when talking about psychedelics.. doesnt have anything to do with the number of times youve done it, or the amount youve done.. but more of how far youve gone.. how deep you went inside and beyond... how far down the river you floated... and also a big one.. what you brought back with you.. and how youve been able to 'incorperate' those things into your physical waking life...

))lol my 420th post((

 

I dont disbelieve anything.. "nothing is imposible" (heh alice and wonderland)

especially with the things that happened to me (and still happen) i'm no more special then anyone else is.. and everyone has the ability to have any range of infinite things happen to them...

what do you mean by miracles?

like ive had extreme dejavu (both off and of course on lsd) like where somehow I knew what was gonna happen next, and not always like 100percent detail.. but the general outcome of idea of it all... Ive had things happen in experiences (both on psychedelics, and off through meditation and dreams) and then the same exact thing (or something extremely close.. quite often through a symbolic relationship) happens in reality..

lol its funny the 1st time (well scary in its own way too) when you suddenly realize that what your seeing, experiencing etc.. is about 'you' or what has always been labeled as 'you' and what you thought 'you' were.. and its like oh shit wow.. i dont need that.. oh man i dont need that either.. oh man why am i like that...etc...

i've had some very shattering and spiritual experiences on lsd.. but the most religious experience ive ever had was on a little more then an 8th of mushrooms.. i dont really know how to explain it cuase ive never really thought of even trying to explain it..

but what ive come to call it was the 'dance of divine manifestation' where all manifestation was extending outward from the heart of the buddha.. and the detail was incredible.. i'd have to make a little drawing to go along with the story to help explain what it looked like cuase I cant describe it without writing 100 pages and spending countless hours... i remember coming out of it afterwards.. like whoa holy fucking shit wtf was that... wow... i remember it all gave me this very dreamy feeling.. and i spent hours afterwards trying to duplicate the 'internal music' that was going on during it on my guitar.. tho Ive never been able to get it right.. but Ive got to something that is somewhat close to it and really gives me good vibes when I play it...

on my 1st psychedelic experience.. at one point i was drawing. I originally wanted to try and draw what I was seeing behind my eyes, but i just couldnt get it onto paper cuase everytime i turned to a different blank page I saw a different drawing.. so i was like shit sweet i can just trace this lol.. so i would draw a line or two and the whole thing would change.. draw another line or two.. and it'd all change again.. and after I covered like the whole sheet (which i have scanned becuase i was colorizing it in photoshop, so i should upload the original..) I noticed that everything i was drawing were like thought-forms on paper.. feelings and emotions tranformed into a visual graphic... one thing that really freaked me out was that I drew myself exactly how i was sitting exactly how i was holding the pad of paper... that one sheet of paper blows my mind everytime i look at it..

and quite often ppl say that what you experience is all dependant on your life and what youve put into your head.. but that doesnt explain things that have happened that ive never once imagined, learned of, thought of, been told about, etc etc.... its like theres something there thats got to be real for this 'stuff' to come through without it actually being 'imprinted' at some point in my life..

but i find the worst part and most frustrating part to be the lack of vocabulary in our language to describe these.. and the lack of knowledge for others to be able to intrepret it (allthough no one interprets anything exactly the same, people arent able to even get the basic idea usually)


damn you michael lol.. you got me onto a topic here where I type really long replys lol...