Turbulent Times

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Mar 14, 2018.

  1. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Massively? Are they reliable sources? Outside of Chicago? Are they in jail? Of course there is and always has been voter fraud. Because of the lag in voter rolls, there are also always likely to be dead people on them. When they vote, it's a problem. The notion that it's rampant has never been convincingly documented. I'm sure you can produce sources, and I'm sue they're biased or bogus.
    Voter Fraud Is 'Rare,' Presidential Election Commission Finds
    Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth
    Voter Fraud: A Massive, Anti-Democratic Deception
    All This Talk of Voter Fraud? Across U.S., Officials Found Next to None
     
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  2. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    You dislike gun owners?
     
  3. NotMyRealName

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    I'm sure they aren't reliable sources for you.
    None from Chicago since you seem fascinated with that problem.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BD7gQFggrMAE&usg=AOvVaw260OYawa8WOJ3A7x9sByVC

    Mexican national sentenced to 8 years in prison in Texas voter fraud case

    Colorado woman charged with voter fraud, accused of forging dead parents' signatures

    CBS2 Investigation Uncovers Votes Being Cast From Grave Year After Year

    Voter Fraud Database Tops 1,000 Proven Cases

    State tries to track down dead voters

    New California Law Will Automatically Register Illegal Aliens to Vote

    How many more would you like?

    And P.S. California just elected an illegal alien into office.

    Undocumented immigrant appointed to state post in California
     
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  4. Okiefreak

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    Undocumented immigrant appointed to state post in California[/QUOTE]
    You missed a few, curiously all examples of voter fraud by Republicans
    Ex-Colorado GOP chairman convicted of voter fraud sentenced to supervised probation
    Republican Indiana Secretary Of State Convicted Of Voter Fraud
    GOP’s voter fraud humiliation: Turns out Wisconsin’s worst case...
    Yes, Virginia, there is voter fraud, but no, Virginia, it doesn't seem to be rampant--certainly not at the 3 million level alleged by Trump. Of the "documentation" you provided, the last two entries seem to be about election or appointment of undocumented aliens to office in California, which is certainly a bad thing but doesn't count as voter fraud. Scratch those. Another of your sources "New California Law Will Automatically Register Illegal Aliens", comes from New American, an outlet of the John Birch society--the right wing lunatic fringe group that told us back in the day that President Eisenhower was a Communist, taking orders from his brother Milton who was his superior in the Party. Not much credibility there, in my estimation. The law in question was a the California Motor Vote Act which automatically registers Californians when they renew their drivers licenses. The California Secretary of State’s Office must then verify the name and citizenship information before they are eligible to vote, and non-citizens are screened out. Scratch that one, too. Then there is your article "State Tries to Track Down Dead Voters." Did you read it? It deals with efforts of South Carolina to check out claims that ballots were cast in the name of dead people. In a preliminary search, they found only one case of a vote cast by a person who was dead. That happened as a result of him casting an absentee ballot while alive, and then subsequently dying. Then there is "Voter Fraud Database Tops !000 proven cases. This deals with a database of alleged voter fraud cases maintained by the Heritage Foundation, a right-wing Think Tank. These cases go back to 1948 when Truman and Dewey were running. Only 105 cases came within the past five years, and 488 within the past 10 years. Only 41 involve efforts of non-citizens to vote. The list covers a wide variety of violations, including allegations of voter intimidation and infractions by election officials. Not many zombie voters are on it. The CBS2 article and the story about the Colorado woman do deal with ballots cast by children of the deceased in their parents' names--a function of the lag in reporting of deaths and the ability of children to produce the necessary ID. These cases seem to be split between Republicans and Democrats. Yes, they happen, but not on the massive scale suggested by Republican folklore. The article "Mexican National Sentenced Eight Years in Texas Voter Fraud Case" deals with a single case of a woman who claimed she didn't understand she couldn't vote in this country, and who claimed to have voted Republican. Finally, the Google entry is another single case about a Virginia college student who claimed to have filled out 18 registration forms on behalf of dead people. I'm glad he got his comeuppance. The situation re zombie and illegal alien voting in our elections is thoroughly analyzed by Professor Lorraine Minnite of Rutgers-Camden in her book The Myth of Voter Fraud (2010)., which concludes that although millions vote every year, instances of knowing and wilful voter fraud are relatively rare. Of course that was pre-2016, but the evidence suggests that her conclusion is still valid.
     
  6. NotMyRealName

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    I never said I agreed with the Trump claims. Nor did I selectively not find an example of Republicans commiting it. I just got tired of posting repetitive examples of what you claim didn't exist. More specifically convictions of dead voter fraud. I'm sure both sides have done their best to diminish the process we are supposed to trust.

    Then you assumed I was going to make it a Chicago thing. Neither were my problem. Now we can agree these notions have been corrected.

    I will however think your either being niave or simply do not want to acknowledge that the Dems are trying their hardest to get illegal immigrants to vote for them.
     
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  7. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    The issue with gun owners seems to be where does this stop. Any gun law is one gun law too many so why even bother having them in the first place because it's just an excuse for the liberals to keep adding onto the law. And since liberals don't even understand guns they are not qualified to have an opinion like a doctor is not a plumber.

    I can see their point since government can be corrupt. But I think they are doing more harm than good. People are not seeing "good guys" who are rational they are seeing paranoid and scared people making extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence. More and more people see that tyranny means we don't like Democrats and plan war with them. Not that someday we might have to come together as Americans and fight something. Only Republican Trump voters are part of the NRA utopia. So many Americans are not comfortable with the NRA culture now. I'm sure all gun owners don't want to kill Obama voters but many that speak up do. Because those are the "socialists" who are the real enemy.
     
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    remember when that goof obama invited rappers to the white house. yeah I remember.
    also remember how many kids not teens have had guns in their backpacks. .guess the race . some those kids didn't even know that they had the weapon .
    59 rednecks killed, by a mofo with an arsenal nobody bats an eye.
    my bump stocks. wow.
    guns are traceable. .
    pressure cooker bombs are not.
    just keep helping build the next mass attack with your gun grabbing drivel. .crazy people will find a way . close all the schools, malls, parades, sporting events, churches, concerts .
    stay home and watch netflix and get fat..
     
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  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well, you were doing alright until this part. Do you have proof of this claim?
     
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    Already provided proof in my Ca. link.
     
  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    It seems California was not in compliance with the National Voter Registration Act of 1993.
    They were sued and had to bring the state into Federal Compliance.

     
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