a friend of mine just wrote this from a long-ass piece and i just read it… the following is part of it... Lawsuits: The nuclear power industry is suing Germany because it's phasing out it's unpopular nuclear power stations. Tobacco giant Philip Morris is suing Australia for billions of dollars in lost profits because the government took action to reduce teenage smoking and, pharma giant Eli Lilly is suing Canada for $500 million just because Canada has laws to keep essential drugs affordable. These cases are happening in secret international courts to which only corporations have access. Now, details are leaking of two global trade pacts that would massively expand the power of corporations to sue our governments. Countries in the US, the EU and from Australia to Canada are negotiating right now… and some could be just days from signing up. Thousands of corporate lobbyists are helping to write these secret pacts - but the public isn't allowed to see them. So, has anyone else heard of this yet? i put TTIP and TPP into search and nothing came up so i'm fearing that this hasn't been brought up as a subject… anyone know anything more about it? if i can find something to sign that might help in stopping this would anyone be interested in doing so? if not, why not?
lillallyloukins Is it possible to post this long-ass piece? http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/eli...it-against-canada-over-drug-patents-1.1829854 The other one's were a little too vague. Try NAFTA
I read something about this a few weeks ago,can't remember where. I don't know anything more than you Lillally.It certainly makes the blood boil.I would defo sign a petition if one were available.
thanks Odon… i'm aware of NAFTA, but this TTIP and TPP are two relatively new (in the public domain anyhow) acronyms i think, and have more far-reaching consequences. the following is the unsummarised/uncondensed version of the list that my friend partly used to write his piece from… 1. 'Trade' and 'International Trade Agreements' are different. 'Trade' is generally agreed to be a good thing. 2. Although 'trade' agreements are negotiated government - to - government (by the Trade Commission for EU member states) they are promoted and driven by transnational corporations who benefit from states being bound by international trade law. 3. The main transnational corporations are transnational financial service corporations, the financial services industry that caused the global financial crisis. The City of London is the world's main financial services centre. Transnational banks, insurance corporations, the Big 4 accountancy firms etc. are based there. The City of London has a very influential role in the EU's international 'trade' agreements. 4. Trade-in-goods and trade-in-services are the stuff of all free trade agreements. Trade-in-goods agreements are primarily about reducing at-the-border import taxes but, trade-in-services agreements are effectively corporate rights charters. 5. The US/EU Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), called Transatlantic Free Trade Agreement (TAFTA) in the US, is a bi-lateral 'trade' agreement between the US and the EU. The EU shifted from primarily a WTO focus to a bilateral agreement focus in 2005. 6. Trade in goods and services are of course included in the TTIP, but the main element of the agreement goes much further. It is 'regulatory harmonization' between the US and EU, which amounts to harmonizing regulation downwards, to the most lax, corporate-friendly form, across all areas, so affecting health and safety, food, data and much more, including financial services regulation. 7. A framework for the ongoing 'harmonisation' of all future regulation is being agreed between the negotiators - so apart from the permanence of trade commitments at the point when they are agreed, the ongoing developing process will also be continuing. 8. TTIP will also include Investor State Dispute Settlement (ISDS). This will allow transnational corporations to sue governments directly for the loss of future profits resulting from any government action, at any level, such as new legislation. Where ISDS is already included in 'trade' deals, it is shown to lead either to big payouts for governments to transnational corporations, or to deter governments from legislating. 9. In parallel to the transatlantic TTIP, a Trans Pacific Partnership agreement has been under negotiation for much longer, with similar aims and inclusions. The US is in both. 10. TTIP and TPP are intended to set 'trade' rules for the rest of the world. 11. The TTIP is being rushed through at breakneck speed, with the aim of completion by the end of 2014. 12. As with all bilateral 'trade' agreements, TTIP negotiations and the agreement text are secret until the negotiations are completed. 13. Trade agreements are intended to be effectively permanent. 14. The Trade Commission has set up a particular communications' (spin) unit to manage public opinion on the TTIP. 15. TTIP will include provision for the movement of temporary skilled workers across borders. Called 'Mode4' in 'tradespeak', the EU includes this provision in all of it's 'trade' agreements. It usually means cheap labour. 16. The European Parliament, EU democracy mechanism, only has the right of assent when Commission negotiations are completed on a trade deal e.g. the TTIP. This means the Parliament can only vote for or against the deal, at that late stage. (i do hope i haven't made any vital errors on that copy)... and here is a link to the original authors blog… http://think-left.org/tag/linda-kaucher/
lillallyloukins Thanks. I will go through it now. Just wanted to say thanks before you went offline. From a brief scan I can see the angle the author looking at this. P.S: I didn't think you were allowed outside links in signatures... I think it is 'new' because hasn't it been off the table for the last 12 years? http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/ http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/prog...satlantic-finance-initiative/27-ttip?start=40
oh, maybe i'm not… i don't remember rules :/ can someone let me know for sure? and i'll remove them if that's the case…. or are you sure?
Forum Guidlines 7: Spamming: Those who come here and post numerous links to other commercial websites, forums, chatrooms or communities, without actually contributing any content to this website will be banned without notice. It's fine to post an occasional interesting link to another website, in the context of a thread's subject, but to only do that or to do it repeatedly is not allowed. If you have your own website, you can put the URL in your profile and a link will be posted to your site in every post you make so there is no reason to add it to your posts, signature or PMs. p.s: I added a few links (more for me to remember) but might be of some use to you...
have you got a link for that please Tyrsonwood? i don't think people understand quite what it means… i mean, just the phrase 'trade agreement' is enough to drive a stake of boredom deep into anyone's heart :toilet:
^^thanks x depressing that not many actually responded to that TPP thread T Hopefully there will be more of a response regarding TTIP but i doubt it… not on this forum i shouldn't think anyway…. most posters seem only interested in how to make themselves cum faster/harder/longer… YAWN… not that there is anything wrong with sex… infact there's a lot right with it, especially in wellies... but that's another story… :hide: for those who want to do something about it, even if only to learn more i would like to suggest they follow twitter: @OccupyTTIP or visit the Occupy Law UK Facebook page… for UKers there is the occupylondon.org.uk website, and there is a petition that peeps have been signing but i'm not sure if i can post the link here?
Why would anybody want to learn about it from a site that is opposed to it? I think the best thing to do is read about it from the horses mouth (as it were) and THEN make up your mind... (posted earlier) http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/
