Trump's father born in Germany?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Visexual, Apr 4, 2019.

  1. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    Well they knew about Auschwitz, and didn't attempt to take out the train network that was clearly known about. And that's always been spoken about. Can't bomb certain places, when your main interest is opening your arms to the scientists & personnel you need. :flushed::flushed:
     
  2. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member

    Well in truth we now know the allies knew about the holocaust early on in the war but did nothing because freeing the concentration camp prisoners was not one of the objectives, and in fact was considered contrary to the war effort.
     
  3. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    -phew-

    This is the saying. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Attention diverted. Now these two will argue it out. :p

    Thanks bro. You just trodden into murky waters hehe.
     
  4. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    How early on? About the death camps? How could they have prevented it or stopped it much sooner? Drop a terrible amount of parachute troops there in the heart of the German reich?

    I think where allies deserve more scrutiny is instances like when a ship with jewish refugees was refused asylum. But a lot of jewish and other people were saved by the efforts of the allies. What if there wasn't such a combined effort at all.
     
  5. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    The heavily populated, known about death camps were mostly situated in Poland and not exactly highly defended. So yes, they could have paratrooped in I'd say. Even the bombers that bombed the factories around Auschwitz had little no defense, the Luftwaffe was all but done and dusted.

    Interesting how they managed to bomb the factories in daylight but ummm missed the train stations.. With zero attempts...
     
  6. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Seems bombing the train tracks in Poland or the heart of Germany would only delay at best.

    In all earnest, Irms, just because you pose it as if your joking doesn't fool people you're also half serious when you try to make other nations or groups of people at least as responsible for the holocaust. A lot of Polish may have collaborated but the Germans are and will always remain primarily responsible for what happened in places like Auschwitz.

    Same with a comment about your grandpa killing allied soldiers you made awhile ago. Even if it was 100% made 'in good fun' people could have still righteously tear you a new asshole there. And i think next time I see such a remark I will. If your big enough to type such a comment on here (regardless how you ment it), you should also be big enough to take the criticism.
     
  7. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    About the possibility of paratrooping around Auschwitz; I'm not sure but was the kind of airplane that could transport such troops able to fly such a distance and back? I know the bombers barely could. It was already pretty much considered a fiftyfifty suicide mission.
     
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  8. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    I've always been big enough to take the critisicm. I've never once backed down. All of my talk about other nations involvement have always been factual I have even given the research, the sites and what to read. I have listen my sources and you know what I find? Nothing gets said about it again, like you guys are the ones who back out. The moment I post the work for you guys, the thread goes absent, not replied to which is pretty clear indication that it is you guys who are wrong and don't want to admit it and/or don't want to learn or acknowledge that your learnings weren't entirely the truth. Too proud perhaps.

    You can attempt to tear me a new asshole if you wish lol it wouldn't phase me at all. So go ahead and do it, big man, if that's what's going to make you feel better in an attempt to climb the ranks of alpha HF status which you've been obviously trying to achieve as of late. :)
     
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  9. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Really? :rolleyes: Maybe bump them up again :)

    btw: other nations involvement are not disputed. But you often try to make it seem the Polish are at least (AT LEAST!) as responsible for what happened. That's something else. The Germans were primarily responsible.
     
  10. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    I'd love to, if I could remember the titles. :)

    I remember in the last one I specifically speak of, I listed websites and sources and from memory, even photographs and not one person could respond to me. I think in the end VG changed the subject to something sarcastic and not on topic. I remember, because I scoffed at it and I knew, nobody was ready to accept what I'd said.

    And ask me about any conspiracy you remember me speaking off and I'll source it right now. :)
     
  11. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    Only once do I ever remember you acknowledge any of my sources and that was when you didn't believe me about Hitler being admirable to Japanese culture and granting them a type of Japanese/Aryan acknowledgement for being honorable allies of the Reich. You asked me to prove that, I did, you begrudgingly accepted with a bit of your own sarcastic humor. So don't be throwing rocks from where you sit at me when I inject my sense of humor into my posts, you aren't any better, believe me.

    I will stand here and say that everything I have ever posted on this subject, to my knowledge, has been legit to the learnings and teachings that I have experienced and I believe I could justify any of my claims with at least a sound reasoning as to why I say and believe those claims.

    Okay I can't guarantee EVERYTHING because I like to have some fun in my posts and you clearly can't accept that, but anything I've steadfastly argued on, I will stand by them because I know where I stand when I'm passionate about something.
     
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  12. lion1978

    lion1978 Member

    Jews killed in holocaust (nazi concetration/death camp) aproximatley 6 millions
    Jews killed in the Gulag (Stalin's Russian "Work"/death camps) camps aproximatley 7 millions Somehow this fact seem to be always forgotten when the talk comes to anti semitisme and the atrocities of geneside.
     
  13. lion1978

    lion1978 Member

    And also when calling nazi's or people with nazsi Sympathy right wing, that is so wrong it isn't even funny the word Nazi is/was the sort version of the official name National socialitishes arbeits parti (sorry if my german spelling is completeley of" anyhow it translates to National socialist workers party
    So a little more on the left wing than most left wing people want to admit or remember
     
  14. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    I think you wrongly assume the reason why there weren't any replies.
    If you make an effort you can find them. Not saying you should do it right now, choose and take your time. But please do.
    I didn't find your old Sons of Odin post easy either, but in the end I did find it :)

    And I don't have any issue with you inserting humor in your posts on serious stuff by default. I have a problem when you act like you're joking when you're at least half serious.

    About your jolly remark of your grandpa killing allied soldiers; the issue there was you did not only display pride of your grandpa as a person (no problemo), but also of his service. Unless he was a hospik or something, or actually defiant against his own army you can't be proud on his service in that army (unless of course you would sympathize with their cause).

    And I will stand corrected again when its the case :) Begrudged or not :p

    I will 'throw rocks' at your content any time I see fit, thank you very much. And you should do in return. Really, its not about who's better or not. For me at least.
    You should quit this shit, its not becoming.

    You act like i want it any different, but that's not true.
     
  15. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    True, but I also know most Germanic languages have their origins in the language of the Hittites who lived in northern Iraq, Syria, and Turkey. They lived there centuries before the Turkey moved in to Anatolia. Their biggest towns were Hit, Hatton, and Hatra. Their most famous king was Shupelullilumis (or something phonetically similar). The Hittite language was definitely Germanic. I think they immigrated to what is now Germany, Holland, Flanders, Austria, Bavaria, Demark, etc. The Hittites are mentioned in the Bible. I doubt anyone in the Alt-Right or the KKK understands any of this historical information.
     
  16. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Hittite is an indo-european language. Not a germanic language.
     
  17. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    At the end of WWII the US government imported German scientists like Werner Von Braun to work on military/space programs. Before that many German families in Indiana developed some amazing manufactured products. The Duesenberg Automobile was made in Auburn Indiana by two German brothers and is still considered an amazing car today. Hollywood Stars bought the car because of the social status. The same was with the Auburn and Cord autos.
     
  18. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    Wrong
     
  19. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    You make a compelling argument there :D but no.
     
  20. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    Well, I remember from my Near East History class at Colorado State University that the particular Hittite inscription was very close to modern German. During that period, the Zoroastrian were in the area and had come south from the northern coast of the Caspian Sea. They were Aryans. The Indo-Aryans came from the Indus river valley of today's Pakistan. They had extensive cities like Harapa and Mohenjo-Daro. Their people include the Greeks, and the Roma people. The Kassites came from the Caucus Mountains. The Assyrians had the Kingdom in the area of today's Mosul. The Akkadians had the land around Babylon. The Elamites had the kingdom directly to the east of today's Baghdad, in western Iran. Murdoch Baladan had his people hiding in the marsh lands of southern Iraq. The Hebrews and Philistines did not appear in the area until around 1228BC, according to the inscription of Merneptah Stele in Egypt. The Egyptians were writing things down just like the Sumerians, and the AKKADIANS. The Sumerians had the lands in the far southern reaches of Iraq. They had towns like Ur, and Uruk. The latter is the town where Gilgamesh lived and made history.
     
  21. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member

  22. wilsjane

    wilsjane Member

    A lot is not known (or admitted) about the wars with Germany, simply because it would not make good action films.

    Prior to WW2 thousands of people fled Germany to the UK for fear of the Nazis. When war was declared, people with German citizenship were rounded up and put in prison. However, realizing that they were as anti Nazi as we were, many of them were conditionally released on condition that they worked and reported to the police daily. The vast majority or the people who fled were well educated, so those who spoke good English ended up teaching in our schools. A few musicians also played in major orchestras.
    They taught a lot of music in the schools and their influence played a large part in the birth of the London Schools Symphony Orchestra. Many of them never returned to Germany after the war and lived in the UK until they died.

    Have you ever watched the films Dangerous Moonlight, or more recently The Piano Player, the later is a true story and a very moving film. Even the names are correct.
     

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