Trump was right about Sweden

I disagree.

Sweden has social programs galore.

I would like to see subsidies for single parent households, and early childhood intervention programs to reduce crime, and improving schools and schooling. Not to mention single payer healthcare, and college for all not just a few.

I don't think that closing our borders is a viable solution. You lose too much by doing something like that. Then we all pretend that we didn't just do that? I don't agree.

 

Lolz, becuase when i think of culture, first country i think of is Merika

 

Why you baggin' on America 'Nilla?

We have burger culture. When people talk about the culture in America I get a little confused too. What do they mean?

I'm not getting down on America. I guess I'm getting down on culture. Culture is the behaviors, attitudes, beliefs, and norms of a societal group. And in modern societies it's easy to forget that we still have these things. They're just more modern then something featured on National Geographic from fifty years ago. I don't know if that makes sense. But I do think we have culture. America is fascinated with technology! We really like our phone right now. That's a big part of our culture.

 

I bet American culture is in the top 3 of what you take in culture-wise.

 

Yup. Star Trek and Walking Dead.

 

funny considering Australia is one of the countries that is very, very, very similar culturally to America.
The biggest difference is the attitude concerning guns and laws related to them.

 

Thanks for all the links. They'd be more helpful if they were in a language most of us could understand. Could you please translate for us? The opener in English by Peter Sweden was clear enough, but you didn't mention his far right anti-immigrant political connections.
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2017/08/01/far-right-vlogger-defend-europe-supporter-peter-swedens-real-identity-revealed/
For additional perspective, we might consider that during the past two decades Sweden has, besides implementing an immigration policy that I agree is ill-considered, been gradually dismantling its renowned welfare system, with resulting income inequality that is impacting young and immigrant populations:16% unemployment among residents of foreign origin and 7% for the general population. The immigrant groups tend to be ghettoized, with limited effort to assimilate into the dominant population. According to Prof. Matthew Goodwin of the School of Politics and International Relations at the University of Nottingham: "The groups that are involved are some of the most economically deprived groups within society. Whether it's the young black males in London who suffer from the highest unemployment rates of all sections of society or the young migrants on the outskirts of Paris who again are blighted by very high levels of unemployment and very low levels of formal education, a perceived sense of injustice marked the disturbances much in the same way that riots in Los Angeles or in London were sparked by police action." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/05/25/sweden-riots-violence/2360211/
Sweden didn't invite in all the immigrants purely out of the kindness of its heart. The Swedes don't produce enough babies for their economy to function well, and the native Swedes don't want to do the grunt work. Immirants. Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em!
For mainstream news coverage, see
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/swedens-welcome-to-refugees-disturbed-by-violent-backlashrld/europe/stockholm-sweden-riots-trump.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/?utm_term=.6f19e864f9fd
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/world/europe/stockholm-sweden-riots-trump.html

 

One of your links, the PBS, is 404. Lol

I read a bit of the ny times one and what stood out were the crime statistics for Sweden since 2015.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/world/europe/stockholm-sweden-riots-trump.html

 

Pop culture, yeah sure

80s thrash metal, 80% of good tv shows, the other 20% from the UK, most movies, 70s discos and every genre that gave rise too.

I meant more sophisticated culture, you think of arias or fine gastronomy, america is not the first country you think of.

The ghost mentioned the cultural influence of countries like Mexico, China and pakistan on the US. What do you really get culturally from them? Tex mex and gang warfare, Kung Pao chicken and Chana Masala

But dont get me wrong, not saying Australia is anymore sophisticated culturally. Still, I dont see Australia or America anytime soon bending the laws to allow child marriages for immigrants, what the fuck is that. Eurabia indeed.

I reflect now on that quote from Looper "Trust me, I'm from the future, go to China, dont go to france"

 

Its all bullshit anyway, most of these liberal politicians across the first world all live in the exclusive suburbs of what ever city in whatever country they are from. They dont have to deal with the impact their policies have on the poorer suburbs, and they dont give a shit.

Its not about fake humanitarianism, they dont really give a shit about refugees, its just putting on a feel good aspect to get votes, get voted in, projecting how we think we should feel.

Have some of these liberal european politicians live for a while in some of these no go zone suburbs in Sweden, send their kids to the same schools as the just off the boat kids go to, see what happens.

Trump got voted in becuase a sizeable minority just got sick of all this shit.

Back to the Liberal side of things, the expectation is usually that within a couple generations they will intergrate, i.e basically become more white...which is implicitally rascist in itself and the opposite of actually preserving their cultural identity.

20 years ago Australia was lauded at a fine example of how multiculturalism works, but that was before the long term impact started to show. Now some suburbs in Western Sydney are just filth, they dont really mix or get along with each other

 

The link is https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/swedens-welcome-to-refugees-disturbed-by-violent-backlash It focuses mainly on right-wing backlash in Sweden against the immigrants. For a similar account by British mainstream source, try https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/01/anti-refugee-violence-dark-lawless-sweden These stories appeared before Trump's remarks, but they may provide useful background to the recent bombings. It takes two to tango! For more detail on the situation just after Trump's statement, see https://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2017/feb/24/trump-fox-news-and-the-truth-about-in-sweden-in-data
Maybe Trump is psychic? If not, what's the point?

 

That's sad. I hold out hope for Sweden to pull through and continue to be a haven for these refugees. Thank you for the link!

 

For all the time Conservatives spend spreading misinformation about Scandinavian life the region remains one of the happiest and healthy places in the world. The crime rate is MUCH lower compared to America. You have affordable education, public transportation, and healthcare. Also perhaps most important a sociery that respects free speech and thinking. Are there problems? Yes and yes one of them is the fact that these places have a very small population and immigrants stress the economies. Without the racist skewing of this issue it's just a fact. Small ecosystems do not react well to lots of new things. And because of this they have to perhaps reconsider their very tolerant immigration policies. No one really came before and it's a tradition to be accepting of neighbors in that part of the world.

But the Conservative wants you think it's as if ISIS has taken the country over. Like the white man is under attack. It's really the same attitude that got Trump elected. I don't think a lot of Conservatives understand the REAL reason why that region of the world more so than others has it's Islamic terrorists highlighted to work you up. Nazis love that part of the world too for the same reasons I hear mainstream Conservative outlets cite. The whole idea that these people are special because they are isolated and free of racial tensions. Look at the society they make when free of racial political correctness and a goverment that unfairly aids the race who did not build the country. The fact that this white utopia for you is socialist and neither American capitalist or Hitler/Trump like strong leaders only Fascist does not seem to matter to these people. I know many members of the president's political party are not like this but they fan the flames for these kind of people by spreading lies about the region.

 

I do like burger culture. :d

 

They traded in their Viking helmets for pussy hats.

 

So Vikings are better?

 

Tons better. Vikings were the fucking shit. unk:

Erryone just sees the Vikings as a brutal culture but they were quite civilised and stylish. They were just good at what they did, fight. So good in fact when they had nobody left to fight they fought for other nations even in Asia and when they had no one left to fight there, well.. They just fought each other until the Viking era was no more.

 

I just read about Vikings who were buried in Long Boats with all their important and life treasures. A researcher found some who were buried with Islamic artifacts and cloth with Islamic words on it. One such cloth had "Allah" and "Ali" and several researchers associated the Viking "Valla-hella" with the Islamic "Walla Hella" which is a greeting...something like "welcome to God." The Islamic writing found in the burial boats was recognized as Kufic...originating in Kufa of Iraq. The article contended the Islamic influence on the Vikings was likely Shite, because of the writing style.

 

I would also like to see more programs for the poor. The title on this thread is about Trumpy being right on Sweden. I had that in mind when I was reading a book on Wicca and ran across a neat bit. The writer said the Wiccans do not seek power through the suffering of others. I then said to myself, "That describes the Trumpy-Pency government."

 

Yea, I would like to see more programs for the poor as well. But that would definitely include single parent households, particularly in the case of single mothers because with only one income, or more specifically with a woman's income (being that it tends to be even less than a man's) there is a high risk of poverty.