Trump Supporters Don't Own America

Discussion in 'Politics' started by willgoldstone, Jul 24, 2016.

  1. Bud D

    Bud D Member

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    If you were a cop would you profile people? Not based on race alone, no but attitude and cultural identity?
     
  2. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    The problem is that profiling by the cops often is used by them to target people they do not like, for issues not related to the crime. So if you are Michael Millikin, Ivan Bosskey, or Harvey Maddoff and you break the law. making off with millions, you get treated better than a black kid who makes off with $47 from the gas station. When the black kid is arrested, they are usually beaten within an inch of their life, and they might mysteriously die on the way to jail. Muslims who are profiled often these days are often innocent; but, they get their privacy violated by law enforcement jerkoffs, or get refused at a restaurant, or not allowed to use a restroom. You get the picture.
     
  3. Aerianne

    Aerianne Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    "Usually". I don't think so.
     
  4. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Have you ever watched while a colored man gets arrested by white goons?
     
  5. Aerianne

    Aerianne Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    You said "when a black kid is arrested, they are usually beaten within an inch of their life".

    That's not accurate. It's hyperbole.
     
  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    We all profile people all the time to some degree or another.
     
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  7. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    But you need to adjust for population and once that is taken into account black people are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

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    But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.
    According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.
    U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.
    Washington post
     
  8. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Well it seems to me that the BLM is a campaign designed specifically to highlighting the disproportionate shootings of blacks by police.

    It’s a bit like complaining that a cancer charity isn’t addressing third world poverty.

    And the thing is that it has worked people are talking about it.

    Anyway here is something from - blacklivesmatter.com

    The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology. Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people.
    [SIZE=11pt]http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/[/SIZE]
     
  9. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Now some people have commented that black people are shot or arrested more because they commit more crime.

    And it is true

    BUT the thing is that has more to do with poverty than skin colour.

    In most places in the world the poor are more policed than the more comfortably off because poverty sets up the pressure to where crime is seen a viable alternative and is likely to bring about lower educational attainment and the likelihood of violence.

    The problem is that this can take on a racial dimension when poverty and a racial group is combined and/or confused. So that people begin to see race not poverty as the main factor in criminal activity.

    The thing is that A typical white family is now five times richer than its African-American counterpart of the same class and that gap is growing.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/17/white-people-95000-richer-black

    To me it should be Poor Lives Matter

    But that hasn’t been the case over the last 30 years or so, in which policies have been geared to advantage those already advantaged.

    The question is can that change and can people stop associating socio-economic problems with race.

    I think that it will be a lot more difficult under a Trump Administration.
     
  10. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    The who?

    6 please don’t say you’re another conspiracy nut?
     
  11. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I am not the one making a false claim, so how can I provide a source for something he didn't say? It's up to the morons saying that Trump said all Mexicans are criminals and rapists to provide a source.

    I personally think Trump is a buffoon, but I hate people making false claims to shill for Hillary.
     
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  12. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    So globalists are a conspiracy theory now? So that must mean globalism is a conspiracy theory, too? You probably will say that doesn't exist, either.
     
  13. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Hi Rat

    Well there is the Globalists as in “a small, but powerful group of individuals who are the architects and instigators behind the formation and implementation of this "New World Order".”

    Part of the nutters creed

    That was why I was asking 6 what he meant (and hoping his brain hadn’t been rotted by the disease of CT)

    But I’m happy to ask you (although we all know your brain was long ago rotted to the core by CT)
     
  14. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    So you're saying there is no such thing as a small group of powerful people working in secret to fulfill an agenda or agendas that are against people's best interests? Everything that happens in the world is open and transparent to the average person? The elite, powerful people of the world who pull the strings of politicians like Hillary Clinton are well-meaning and want what's best for the common man? lol
     
  15. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    bip…bip…bip…brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    Oh dear we have lost Rat completely to the disease of Conspiracy, as he slips off into a coma to dream of seven foot green lizards, devil worshipers, shadowy illuminati
     
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  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You are correct, he didn't say all.

     
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  17. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Hillary would make a great president. I saw pictures of Trumpy kissing Guillianni. I just can not vote for anyone who would kiss Guillianni. In any case, Hillary is smarter and would make a great president. She would promote equality, and pass some real environmental protection laws that have real teeth. And by the way, Trumpy must like Guillianni, because of no teeth.
     
  18. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Ad hominem. Typical of somebody who lacks facts and therefore cannot have an intelligent debate.
     
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  19. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    So because you saw pictures of Trump kissing Giuliani, that means Hillary would be a good president? I suppose you think wars are good, too.

    Promote equality? What does that mean? It sounds more like a slogan than something substantive.
     
  20. Flagme15

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    So you quote an unreliable source. That's a real credible thing to do, dude
     
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