TRUMP IMPEACHED!

The Democrats are, though, they're just not doing it in a stupid, divisive way. The kind Republicans are so fond of, because they love being critical and bullying.

The Democrats don't say abortion should be outlawed, but they are the ones who promote things like sex education and reproductive health, for instance.

 

I think it's fair to put it that those are indeed unreasonable, illogical and/or ignorant.

 

If Republicans had their way we'd all end up like Laura Ingalls Wilder and Pa, dancing around the fucking Maypole for a year until they finally realize how much of a jackass idea their vision is.

 

There surely are some who are well-informed and support Trump, just as I'd sure some well-informed people supported Stalin and Hitler, even though privately they didn't agree with everything they did. They may have thought those leaders were what their countries needed to make their mark on the world, reform the economy, etc. Mussolini, it was said, got the trains running on time. Given a choice between a monster with a booming economy and a decent old man who wants to restructure our economy, some rational, well-informed people might actually choose the former. Jimmy Carter was a saint, but an awful President. Richard Nixon was most unsaintly, but accomplished some good things. Trump, however, is more corrosive of our values and institutions than even Tricky Dick. Do we respect rational people--the Lindsey Grahams--who support him, or hold them in special contempt, because they know exactly what they're doing?

 

Both the american right and the american left seem in need for more diverse representation. They all have to do it with one candidate in the end, which never represents the whole left or right, let alone every american citizen.

 

All I'm saying is if you stereotype or generalize every Trump supporter as unreasonable chronically you are part of the problem your country seems to suffer under. I was taught that where two sides are doing that to eachother two sides are at fault, and it seems to ring true.

 

Narcissists are ugly

 

That would be the center. IMO the right fears the center, and the left resents it.

 

Over 15,000 lies, 25 million dollar payout for a phony school rather than go to court to defend himself, 6 bankruptcies, sued over 3000 times,fined for disallowing minorities from renting in his properties, vodca =failed, meat=failed=casinos=failed,makes fun of the disabled, the gold families, insults and makes up childish names for perceived enemies, disrespects the US government agencies, hires people who are against the very agencies that they were hired to run, refuses to pay contractors that do work for him, etc,etc,etc. Yeah--I can see why Trunald J. Dump followers are considered reasonable, informed voters. Makes sense to me.

 

You seem to be suggesting moral equivalence. I think there was probably some truth to your teaching. In an environment where normal people disagree but must get along, it seems reasonable to encourage values and attitudes that lead to compromise. For example, I wasn't aghast, as some liberal Democrats were, when Biden mentioned that he co-operated with Strom Thurman on legislation, even though Thurman was a notorious racist and segregationist. It's useful, sometimes, to cooperate with badl people for the common good. I think it's good for the U.S. to cooperate with Putin sometimes in the interest of world peace and mutual benefit, although I think he's bad actor up to no good. I thought it was silly for progressives to criticize Biden when he said Pence was a decent man, although I think he was being charitable. On the other hand, we need to be clear about what we're doing, and avoid the conclusion that Thurman, Putin and Pense and their followers are just folks who have different opinions from ours. Their values are fundamentally wrong, and while we shouldn't judge them or minimize our own limitations, it's important to realize that some positions are just wrong and need to be called out.

You have in your country the Party of Freedom, headed by a Trump-like individual, Geert Wilders who wants to make the Netherlands "Ours Again". I think there are many of his followers who rationally believe that, even though he's rather extreme in methods and rhetoric, he's taking a stand against "those Muslims"--and there may be some truth to that. Still, it's important to oppose them and to recognize that they're basically wrong.

I think I'm pretty open to rational arguments in defense of Trump if someone could put some forward. So far, what I've heard, apart from memes, slogans and name calling, are: the economy is great, he puts right wingers on the courts, and " something must be done about those Muslims and Mexicans." Balancing these against the damage that he's doing to our institutions and moral character, I don't think it's a good trade..

 

A trump supporter responded, after I questioned trump's marital fidelity, that Bill Clinton did it first.
To a trump supporter, the Clintons, and Obamas are the worst people in America.

 

A statements like "trump doesn't care about these people" are when libtards sound like children

You think the likes of Biden, Hillary care more?, lolz

 

Biden, maybe.

 

That's a straw man argument.
The topic was trump, not Biden, or Hillary;
and since we're at it, Hillary isn't running for president.
As Meliai said "Jesus Christ".

 

Can any sane person really say our nation would have the sanctioned level of chaos, hate, disfunction, and corruption with either Biden, Clinton, Sanders, Warren or just about anyone else we now have?

 

NO!

 

so if you support trump because you don't like the democrats, you're an enabler. but if you support the democrats because you don't like trump, you're just being practical.

i assumed that was true of everyone?

 

True, you all know me!