Trump Acquittal Thoughts?

I didnt. This turned out exactly the way I expected. This is why the democrats should never have impeached to begin with. The big takeaway here is that the actual jury needs to be regular people and not the Senate. You shouldn't be able to vote against hearing actual witness testimony. This is a joke and it has shaken my belief in my country's integrity.

 

We now have a president that is above the law.... But I guess that is supposed to be okay, somehow.

 

Dinner at the white house must be like a children's tea party, with uncle Donald wanting to sit on the most balloons.

 

Good, if that belief was intact before it can be said it did have some use after all

If enough american citizens acknowledge this they can unite on this matter and rally for serious change.

 

Yes I know that. What I was saying is that the senate can't be trusted so maybe we should do it

 

I think they're mainly afraid of losing seats, power and Republican influence.

 

He's not FIRED!!!

 

Good. That means he's likely to be more lawless and overbearing in the future. Surely, at some point even Republicans will notice. If not, the consequences will be--biblical!

 

Me too. But there's the elections to consider. I think unfortunately that is the primary motivating factor for the majority; Romney of course being the exception.

Romney spoke his mind and he told the truth. I was really impressed. There was a newscast on this morning praising his verbiage and comparing it with a lackluster performance from some democrats!

 

I think we'll find some things out with John Bolton.

 

----and the courts in New York.

 

Honestly I think Trump just must not have a lot of support among Mormons and in Utah in general. I know this sounds really cynical, but I have serious doubts that Romney would have voted to remove if it meant a chance of losing his seat in the next election

I know in general Mormans tend to be fairly insular and focused more on their own power structure versus national politics. So i"m guessing there was probably a lot of support for removal in Utah, or at least a fair bit of a lack of support for Trump. Just a guess though

 

I've regarded this from the getgo as political theater on the part of Dems. Not that there weren't legitimate reasons for concern- if Trump was holding up military aid to Ukraine for domestic political reasons (and it seems to me he did) that is bad. He certainly should have known better- possibly he did know better, but let his New York street fighter instincts get the better of his judgment. In that case, I do think a censure by both the House and Senate might have been in order.

I simply am not buying that the Dems were so concerned about abuse of power that they believed they had an obligation to posterity to remove POTUS from office. These are, after all, the same people who were notably unconcerned about Obama's abuse of power. Hey, what's wrong with coming up with phony Russian conspiracy theories and abusing FISA courts to investigate a political opponent? All Beltway brass knuckle politics, no doubt. Say, anybody in the IRS lose his or her job for holding up tax free status to conservative organizations? Nah, just the way Washington rolls.

But Trump's abuse of power is all separate from the question of whether or not he should be convicted of "high crimes and misdemeanors". While reasonable people might disagree, I think abuse of power, in and of itself, and in the absence of a crime, is not sufficient cause to remove POTUS. As Alan Dershowitz noted, Obama's various abuses of power didn't seem to bother Dems on whit. As the link below states:

"The problem, ultimately, with “words like ‘abuse of power’ and ‘obstruction of Congress'” is that they are “standard-less,” substituting subjective political and partisan criteria for clear principles."

Dershowitz: Trump Impeachment Invalid; Requires 'Criminal-like Conduct'

 

The only thing I'm going to address is "phony Russian conspiracy theories." They are not theories. 17 US agencies have some sophisticated equipment and have proven that not only they did what these agencies say they did , in addition they were using, ARE using and will continue to use social media to spread lies to further divide the citizens of this country. There are many oligarchical countries around the world that would like nothing better than see this country fail.

 

I personally think he won't be re-elected. He's a dickhead. Does things that are extremely childish.

 

yeah but I'm a nationalist