Tripoli Libya Bloodbath - Where is Gaddafi?

I knew you would come with some weak-assed bullshit like that. Dude you are so fucking miserably predictable it isn't even funny any longer.

As I said, you have such a big stick up your ass about America, that you will believe anything no matter what the facts are and jump on anybody's wagon if you think it's anti-American.

As such you continue to make yourself look like a fool and lose all credibility for your claims.

 

so the USA should be attacked as well because they kill civilians with poisons, gaz or electricity? They kill loads of civilians in other countries as well, which have done nothing, not even spoken out.

 

Yes they do... just as any of them would if they had the same power to do so.

The point is that those in power are going to play their games like this regardless of who 'they' are. However, some are more brutal then others. Gaddafi did support attacks on civilians in other countries to the scale that his power allowed, just as the US does...

However, the thin cover of democracy that hides the true motives behind those in power is better then none at all.

The chance for the libyan's to have the same chance to speak (and be ignored as the citizens in the west are) freely is a good thing.

The people (the rebels, or as you think the pawns) over there are fighting for that right.

Yes, they asked for and recieved help from shady characters to do it, and those shady characters are going to try to benefit from it... And yes, they could have done so before but chose not to until Gaddafi threatened the very system that they depend on... And maybe they were even encouraged to take actions or prodded on in the first place...

What matters is that they, all libyans, are going to get the chance to change their system for one where they are as free as you and I are to express their displeasure (or pleasure) at the way things are being run.

It may not work... another dictator may end up on top, or perhaps a puppet of the us, or maybe china or russia... BUT IT MAY...

And they, the people, deserve to have that chance...

If it was you that was there, and you were on the wrong side of the regime, you would do the same thing that they have done... taken any chance offered to better their lives... even if that chance was manufactured and pushed by a shady character like the US...

 

Kills it's own citizenry for questioning the government????

Sure some states have capitol punishment for murder, if that is what you are referring to, but in America we don't hack off limbs for theft, or stone women who have been raped or have public hangings and be headings because someone speaks out against the leader's.

Where do you come up with this shit?
Please provide LEGITIMATE sources to support your claims.

Why in the fuck can't you discuss a topic without always resorting to
"well America did this or that"?
Sure sign of a person with a weak and baseless argument.

No political system or government is perfect and they ALL have skeletons in their closet. What the issue is here is whether or not people's rights to live a relatively free and prosperous life WITHOUT having to fear for their life from the very government that purports to be protecting them from "the evil American's"

 

Some pics and videos on NATO and Al Qaeda war crimes in Libya
http://www.federaljack.com/?page_id=37933

 

May I inquire whom you propose to be the arbiter of legitimacy? Are you nominating yourself?

 

True point.
Then how about from multiple sources and multiple viewpoints and political ideologies. That way we can examine ALL the evidence rather than information from just 1-2 possibly biased sources. That applies to both sides of the issue.
That would be the fair and rational approach if one desires to be well informed on any topic.

 

If I had a stick up my ass about America.
I would eat McDonald's cheesburgers from a garbage can
So this way I could get the worst case of explosive intestinal gas
and then I would go the the americain border point my ass
at every car with an United States license plaque.

Destroying you with the same smelly shit that you've polluted
the world with.

The United States is a murderous nations that will sacrifice
their own children to their flag and will happily kill anyone
that gets in the way of their cheeseburgers.

How about you stop quoting the popular opinion as it is feed
to you from the television. Then you can pull you head out of the
multiple sources of ass that it's obviously up.

Keep researching and questioning midgardsun
I might always agree with you but I'll always stand
for a man that thinks for himself.

 

someone remind me what the thread topic was ?

 

Libya: 30:000 bombs from the air, Al Qaeda and friends on the ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcMS9JvPvH4"]30,000 Bombs Over Libya - Video Thomas Mountain - YouTube

 

what you dont know about Gaddafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXLQAUUpJwU"]What you don't know about Gaddafi - YouTube

 

More propaganda...

He was a dictator, in power for 40 years... people who spoke out against him were shot...

His children lived in the luxury that this video claims he rejected for his people...

Going by your theories that the good things he has done out wiegh the bad, then you should have no problem with what any government is doing, as they are all doing good things as well as bad...

Like most (if not all, but I dont know that for sure) dictators, his words and his actions were not the same. You can't claim to be for all people, while shooting some of them. You can't call all people your brother and then kill them when they say you suck.

Anyone who claims that either gaddafi, the US, britain, france, or any other country, government or leader that uses violence and killing to make their point is anything but a typical government is just not paying attention.

However, anytime a government is overthrown, there is a possibility of something better coming out the other side... regardless of who started it, who instigated it, or who wants it to happen.

How many people bitch and moan that nobody ever does anything to change things? Say things like People need to stand up and take back their country and so on...

How many here advocate that very thing daily in the US?

I guess, if it ever did happen, those who stand up better get ready to be vilified by those that were encouraging them to do so. After all, you all should be greatful for what you have, not upset about what you may not have...

 

So what are you going to do about Harper Monsieur Anglophone ?
Gaddafi was stability and anglophone capitalisme hates the stability.
Because you can not win piles of money from stability.
They want "democracy" because democracy is easy to manipulate.
(Look at anglophone canada as a good example)

All this war in the Libye is caused by a) The Libye was cleared of the
lockerbie bombing and wanted to be compensated for their suffering.
b) To bring the muslim world into the west market system. Its all about
cheap labour to compete with the massive China.

All the revolutions are fake.
Tunisia, Egypt and now the Libye.

 

Is there some reason that none of the mods are dealing with the trolls who only post more of their unrelated bullshit here?

 

Since this was not directed at you I'm going to respectfully request that you not jump in and dignify such a thing with any sort of response. As an American myself I find NG's rhetoric to be troubling but in order for the People's voice to be heard, we need to be able to speak as one and that isn't going to be accomplished by magnifying divisions among the regular folks.

I must say that the spread of fast food north of the border isn't the first time America has exported its chemical weapons.

I can fully appreciate the value of having a diversity of sources and would more than agree that people are not questioning the credibility of mainstream news media reporting enough. However, insulting people isn't likely to do much beyond cementing them in the very behavior you are objecting to.

Openly discussing/complaining about moderation will not get you anywhere.

Because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them a troll. Do not assume the role of "instructing" moderators on how to do their jobs.

 

You really need to get out of there and see some more of the world ....

Really .... it might help.

 

That was what some people call a question.

 

I feel that Gaddafi was some what willing to help out the arab community, but he didn't want to give up HIS vain ways of life. He thought he could keep manipulating to further his own agenda. Once people were tired of being censored, they decided to take action. Gadaffi couldn't handle that. Hence what we are in now. The purging of autocracies and theocracies in the middle-east and Africa is a great example of a people's revolution.

Americans need to take heed to these new revolutionaries. I thought it was funny, I asked once of my friends who I feel is very much on the "same level" of thinking as me, "do you think we will have a revolution soon?" And he just asked "what do you mean?" I just stopped right there. I thought more people were angry, but that's just in the polls, they don't want to mobilize.

 

I shall personally extend to you an invitation to read item 10 of the Forum Guidelines before you propose to openly discuss how things are being run here. It is as off topic as the quoted flame/troll fest which YOU took an active part in yet persist in expecting that we'll intervene on your behalf.

 

Invitation accepted, where would you like to openly discuss it?