Trayvon

Why was he carrying a weapon in the first place ???

 

Who, Zimmerman? Because in Florida you're allowed to conceal carry. I am not sure if it was issued to him by the neighborhood watch (I doubt it), or was his own personal gun. There is nothing wrong with carrying a gun if it's allowed by law. Many people do it.

 

No, the information is readily available. Just Google "George Zimmerman eyewitness accounts."

 

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How reliable are those eyewitness accounts? Were they given immediately after the fact? I ask because they didn't release any information in the media until a month after. Eyewitness accounts are faulty even when given immediately after a crime.

 

Future guns will be so cool. They will record all the events going down, once the operator places their hands on the weapon. Bullets will have microchips, and wings to fly around corners and innocent victims. You'll see..

 

Eyewitness accounts are more reliable than the media accounts which are making the situation into something it's not. The media was saying this was about race before they even knew what really happened.

 

Well all I've heard is media reports of eyewitness accounts ..

The whole case has been mishandled from the start. Its fubar now. There is no reclaiming fact from 1)the misguided stand your ground law 2) the lack of solid evidence 3)the media circus

 

Dear God. That is awful, orison.

True story here: In the SC county I used to live in, they beat a friend of mine - and my then-husband's - to death in the county jail. His neck was broken, and he was a Big Dude. It was said 2 had to hold him, and another 1 or 2 to do the damage they did in that short amount of time. They took him in on a bogus charge, too. They went to his house and picked him up around 8pm and called a family member to identify him at midnight. The family member is a good friend of mine and said he was almost unrecognizable.

About this: The police screwed this up from the get-go...and nothing is gonna happen.

Just like with your brother, and my friend...the police/authorities skipped away scot-free. Like nothing happened.
(Also the dude I knew was white.)

 

The "reason" why "any and all fighting sports go by weight and not by height and athleticism" is because in a match, you're fighting another skilled fighter. The weight is the only thing that differentiates you.

In this case, however, it is not a fight between people of equal, or near equal skills. They were not two "skilled fighters". The weight "advantage" allegedly held by Zimmerman could have simply been that of an overweight individual, which doesn't really give him an "advantage" at all.

Plenty of 17 year old "kids" can whip booty on older, 43 year old, overweight men.

I'm not "weighing in" on either side at the moment, just sorting out the facts, trying to avoid biased statements. I see this media frenzy being whipped up on the side of Tray, and think,,"Hmm. I think I want to make up my own mind, thank you."

 

This may or may not be a racially fueled crime. I don't know if Zimmerman is white or Hispanic, but there is no rule that says a Hispanic cant hate a black person

But

At the heart of any violent crime is hate. A white person capable of hate is also capable of hating another white person as easily as a black person.

Some people are just bad people. Zimmerman will never be tried in court so we'll probably never know the whole story there.

 

yeah i said to myself that why is it we are overreacting to this one case...I too agree he should be tried, but i dont know if people are saying that they seen zimmerman on the floor then the cards are up in the air...Its a really crazy thing

 

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clearly that is what happened? you were there? where do you get your information that is so much more reliable than the media? wait... probably ANY information you get is from some type of media.

following someone is provoking a confrontation

 

His mom might be trying to bank on his name, and he´s probably committed crimes in the past.

But the witness reports are both inconsistent and sporadic, and your saying things like "clearly Trayvon was the aggressor" proves your bias on the issue despite Everyone´s opinion id being formed by hearing one or two witness statements provided on news shows a month after the fact...

The reason we're having to armchair quarterback this is because the CSI and Orlando PD fucked up a murder investigation.

 

The reason they differentiate by weight is because weight carries an advantage. It's actually simple physics and has nothing to do with bias.

Btw you see any injuries on Zimmerman? Yeah he looks really banged up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5OiLQjUcOU"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5OiLQjUcOU

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57406183/video-shows-zimmerman-without-blood-bruises/

 

Are we now also judging by the "looks" of things? I thought the point of this whole discussion, nationwide, was to stop focusing on "the looks of things". Neither you nor I can tell just how "threatened" Zimmerman was, in reality, neither of us being eye-witnesses.

"Weight" only "carries an advantage", all else being equal. Your "simple physics" seems a tad too "simple", if you axe me.

In a contest between Bruce Lee and Biggie Smalls, who do you surmise would win?

We're both speculating.

These two were not pro fighters, so it's difficult to ascertain just who had "the advantage", disregarding the gun.

"His attorney has said Zimmerman's nose was broken in the fight and the back of his head was gashed."

I suppose Zimmerman's attorney might be a lying cocksucker. What a surprise.

 

But who had the advantage in fisticuffs doesn't matter. Zimmerman chased down a kid walking down the street, fists started flying, and Zimmerman shot Trayvon WITH NO EVIDENCE BEING COLLECTED.

And yeah, shooting happen all the time, some of them black on black, some of them white on black, some of them black on white, but almost all of them properly investigated, which this was not.

 

We're just one wrong word away from a war with Iran and people are focusing on THIS!

 

Kenya discovers first 'major' oil deposit - Africa - ...

:leaving:

 

And here we have yet another "eye-witness account" of what "really happened".

Sure were a lot of people there at the scene, hipforums members included.

Ever notice the way in which an event is related?

"Zimmerman 'chased down' a 'kid' 'walking down the street'."

"Fists started flying".

"Zimmerman shot Trayvon,,"



While another witness might say,,

"Zimmerman was following a 17 year old he suspected of having,,,"

"There was an altercation"

"A struggle ensued"

"Zimmerman reached for his gun and shot twice"

(I really don't know how many times he shot. I just used "twice" to illustrate this "plain-wrap", "non-incendiary" manner of relating things.)

One way of stating the "facts" is incendiary, stirring up people's emotions for one side, against the other. ("Rabble-rousing?")

Another way could be termed "neutral", simply relating the events as they occurred.

It seems to me that some here wish to sway the final outcome in one direction or the other, having a preferred way of seeing the same event. This isn't "justice". This is simply a biased way of presenting the facts.


BTW,,who "had the advantage" in "fisticuffs" was not an issue between you and I, but rather, part of the discussion between myself and Bonkai. You don't have to agree or disagree, since you were not involved in that discussion.