Travel To Another Planet

Effort to follow a video?
I couldn't be bothered.

 

Before Mariner 2 (1962) like many people, especially readers of popular science fiction I would have chosen the planet Venus. But now we know the average temperature on Venus is 864 degrees Fahrenheit, and the pressure is 90 atmospheres - you’d be crushed like a bug

 

you DO realize, that an ftl drive, a tractor beam, and a large rock, could solve any problem the galactic council might face from any one planet?
not that this is anything we would ever want to have to do. just saying.

except it already has. world census figures have been doctored for at least a decade. resources and other factors do limit maximum sustainable human population. having already exceeded them is why current population is unsustainable and fated to implode. climate change is part of natures mechanism to bring this about. this is why i use the term eco-pocalypse.

our species is simply not immunde to the way nature rebalances environments. medical science can perhaps eventually cure anything nature can throw at us, but there's a time lag involved. a hundred or more new diseases can appear in the time it takes to find treatments for one. and i believe i may have mentioned how the climate thing plays into that.

and our population levels multiply all the other factors contributing to climate change.

at any rate this is something you're not going to solve by boosting any significant amount of people into space. the economics are simply not there for that, even if we had the technology to push a hundred times the mass out of our gravity well that we currently do.

and i rather suspect the rest of the populated universe likely taking a dim view of our species doing a slash and burn one planet after another.

 

I have zero facts to back me up but I doubt climate change has much to do with new diseases. Cause folks be living in a desert since the age of recorded pre history. Unless you go on to say that's a cultural thing, in which case is racist and I'm offended that I'm not immune to diseases because earth has raised 2*C since I was born and I'm not created equal to the cultures and races of hotter climate people and then I cop diseases.

 

not mostly directly, nor measurably (yet), but i believe i may have explained the mechanism previously. also culture is not a racial thing. but that's a digression anyway.
sea water rise floods crop areas, reducing food supply, thus increasing vulnerability to illness.
(doesn't need a lot of sea level rise to do this, just what we're likely to see in the next 20 or 30 years, probably less then ten feet, almost certain less then 15 or 20,
but much of the world's food supply is at relatively low elevations, and not just inundations, but salt water incursion into aquifers, killing even more crops and providing breading grounds for disease mutation.)
at the same time those new swamps, that were previously cropland, become breeding grounds, and yes, even subtly increased temps do increase the rate of disease vector mutation.

 

Thanks for clarifying, but I wasn't really serious.

 

When i talked about other people being there i ment other human colonists, themnax
I don't want to be the first human on another planet with its own human life sustainable ecosystem, but neither be one of the latest when everything is already discovered and a new society entirely established. When you're the first the silliest bug or flock of dust may end your life I rather go after a base and some basic knowledge of the environment is established!

 

wouldn't you rather meet non-humans that are our equal or better in wisdom, culture and intelligence? that have their own perspectives instead of having been corrupted by ours?

i'm only talking about worlds where this has already happened. that have THEIR OWN civilizations, completely independent of anything to do with our own species,
NOT human-centric twaddle, the way euro-centric twaddle screwed up the western hemisphere.
human is just a species. any world on which sapience has evolved, will have done so in its own unique way, with their own wondrous diversity of appearances.

(the not from our species people already living there have their own 'knowledge base', to learn FROM THEM.
if we go to THEIR world, thinking WE know better how to live in it then THEY do, that would be the same dumb ass mistake made by the invasion of the western hemisphere 600 years ago)

as i keep trying to point out, there is no logical reason to assume the rest of the universe is there for our taking. not even all of the planets in our own solar system might be. but i wasn't meaning them. not if you want to see something more interesting then odd geography.

i'm mean, if you're going to play tourist to someplace interesting, there's going to be non-human people already there. their world not ours. not to shit our cultural baggage all over them.

 

I don't mind per se. But it isn't a deal breaker for not going to another planet. Which is the thread question.
And i assumed we're not talking about visiting/being a tourist, but settling.

 

I've been traveling to other planets. I just haven't gotten around to posting self pics of me on those planets.

 

While that's all true, a floating city on venus may be just the ticket.

NASA's plan for our next world: a cloud city over Venus - CNN

 

there's even ice to be found on mercury because it doesnt spin, so the ass end is cold

 

Yeah and they’ve been planning a manned mission to Mars since the Viking I and Viking II mission back in the late 1970s

 

have you ever actually crushed a bug? most of the time, you stomp on it and then it gets up and runs away, so you stomp on it again, and it gets up and runs away, so you stomp on it and grind your foot around, and it gets up and runs away, so you bring in your steamroller and run it over, and it gets up and runs away.

 

Yes I crush bugs all the time, mostly those big carpenter ants that come calling every spring.

And you’re right they’re nearly impossible to kill but I’m persistent. Raid only seems to slow them down

 

YES.
bags packed!

 

No way. Cooped up in tiny capsules would be like a prison sentence.

 

there is that, but what if your ship were instead a large space station with an engine?

 

well to me, "visiting" does NOT mean thinking WE're the center of the universe.
it means being someone else's considerate guest.

so even though "traveling to" is quite a bit broader then visiting, let alone emigrating,

where does "traveling to" imply "colonizing"?
i realize it doesn't exclude doing so, but its inclusion is only a small percentage of the possibilities.

even if we're talking the kind of desert worlds, that most outside of their primary's goldylocks zone probably are,

this attitude, that the rest of the universe is there solely for our taking,
this is where we mess ourselves up, along with everything else we touch.

this euro-centric twaddle is a cultural attitude that has evolved, unfortunately, but there's nothing intrinsic about it,
and we are long over due to grow up and grow out of.

 

I acknowledge your POV but really, it is most likely most planets and asteroids are up for the taking.
Just because we're talking about expanding humanity into space and colonisation of other planets doesn't mean we think we're the center of the universe at all.