Transhumanism: inevitable or evil?

Agreed. 'Inevitable or Evil?' is a dud question.

Trans humanism is to tear down the floor, walls and ceiling of the human experience as we know it. Sure, by transcending the human condition we may be creating something 'great', something unbound by the consequences that imprison us, but ultimately it will be external to my experience as an bound individual entity. It will mean nothing from the perspective of myself as an identity. You might say that our identities mean nothing but in my opinion they mean everything.

I also doubt whether it will improve our ability to cohabitate with the rest of the planet. It will probably make us more of a virus than we already are.

I don't really care what God has to say about the subject.

 

Why is that necessary, or good even?

The idea of 'humanity' as a being worth preserving is a concept external to my own experience (and our own experience) and frankly doesn't interest me at all.

Are we nothing more than some primitive form of algae that must inhabit every possible space?

 

We are already in early stages of transhumanism. We've done away with natural selection, we have doctors that save people who should be dead... it seems "good" in that we rise above our natural capacity, but we are a corrupt species, and the more we break away from our original nature, the more corrupt we become.

But I guess I like being corrupt, and it is indeed inevitable, so bring it the fuck on.

 

Go lie in a field you fucking hippie.

 

Go get yourself micro-chipped you fucking cyber slave.

 

pretty good 1 hour documentary on the subject..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2615496775977574586

 

no one will be able to sign up,you will be selected..

 

So Dean means nothing to you?

Only a gelatinous mass of human jelly that has been assigned some pseudo-purpose by both fundamental and uber-materialistic people alike.

I'm interested in the preservation of myself, and the people around me, and our experience. I'm not going to sacrifice that experience for the preservation of infinite generations of ants ahead of me.

These ideas you have are nothing short of religious. The mantras of trans-humanism are nothing but fundamentalism for the new age.

If you think my reasoning is also based on rigid ideas, you're wrong. I'm against trans humanism for purely selfish reasons. I'm not really a moral person.

 

Can awareness be put in a microchip?

If it could would it still be awareness?

I really do not know.

 

stands to reason it would be easier to do away with awareness with a chip than replicate it.. they already do a pretty good job with pills..

 

That right there is why it is evil. If I had no awareness or identity, I would rather be rotting in the ground or going into the great beyond...or whatever does happen.

 

I agree that I can't stop it. But I think that humanity and science's belief in this 'purpose' that you speak of is cheap and idealistic.

I don't buy into your idea purpose and it serves to value to me as an individual. As to the 'greater good', well that is external to me as well so that is of no value to me either.

Personally, I want to have a good time while I am here, as Andrew. I like having sex. I like fishing and cooking. I like socializing. I like technology. I like nature. I like music. None of this stuff requires a centralized, super-efficient economy, a 40 hour working week, or for us to become machines in order to be enjoyed. It has been there since the first monkey picked up a rock and hit another monkey with it.

I'm sorry if I appear aggressive but this human hive mentality disgusts me, and it is the reason why the majority of the human race decline to do what they themselves want, but rather what the meaningless throbbing jelly of "the greater good" demands.

 

transhumanism is both inevitable and evil.

nobody likes to find out she's a he!

 

Okay are we going into philosophy now.

Well I could rattle off the "Think therefor I am" thing.

But perhaps that response was downloaded on my database.

But I could be trapped in the Matrix. (Trap me in the first one. I liked that one best.)

Or perhaps I am really a character in someones dream.

Then I could be living in a little speck of dust that is on a flower..

I could also say "If I do not pay the bill, I become aware of it when they shut off the electricity"

But to answer your question. I am not sure of anything in this world.

 

If I am not aware, I would rather be unaware with the illusion of freedom than unaware as part of a mechanistic, limitless mass.

If we are unaware then it is all relative anyway and there is no purpose to this discussion whatsoever.

Think about the implications of that and tell me that you don't think life is hilarious.

 

jerkstore.

making me read. damn.

 

wow. i was wrong.

and i have a new appreciation for transexual jokes.

 

I understand what you are saying. And yes, I do owe my existence somewhat to this 'human hive'. I am also completely aware of the blood, guts and horrible mechanical processes that underlie human existence, but I am okay with the blood, guts and bile. I am okay with knowing I can die at any moment. I am okay with not knowing everything, with being subject to the laws of nature. I am okay with the fact that other humans are idiots or serial killers, if it means we are free to be idiots or serial killers. I am okay with competition, and arguing and fighting. If that is what it means to be human, then so be it.

I am really unsure how altering the human state is going to make the world into some sort of utopia. I'm more of the opinion that it will create some sort of nightmarish skynet scenario, where competition will be the rule and not just a side affect of living.

Essentially I don't believe that humans will derive any benefit from transcending their original limits. I'm not saying its wrong, but rather that it will not contribute to their overall happiness.

If I was to want anything for future generations it would be that they are happy while they remain here on earth rather than that they can continue living indefinitely as machines.

 

I hate that quote. It's outdated crap :cheers2:

 

That is well said

The results of these decisions will not lead to blissful eternity

They will result in a loss of purpose and dignity

An animal that can age for hundreds of years does not usually get the benefit of doing so