Transgender Encounter

Discussion in 'Transexual and Transgender' started by Shale, Mar 21, 2016.

  1. Shale

    Shale ~

    Transgender Encounter
    by Shale
    March 3, 2016

    I know I have written about this in the past, perhaps online but I cannot find it in any of my journals. I have met transgender ppl at gay rights functions where they had seminars and I was impressed with how they changed their lives.

    However, I met one trans woman once at our nude beach here in Miami-Dade County. I was entering the beach, naked of course, walking along the sand looking for any friends that might be there when I came across this woman with long hair, small but noticeable breasts and a penis & scrotum. Piqued my curiosity, so I put my towel down near her and we had a good conversation.

    She told me about the harassing comments she received from some ppl at the beach but like the rest of us naturists was determined to let it all hang out. (Non-judgmental body acceptance is a sacrosanct tenet of nudism, but there are posers everywhere.)

    I asked her if she planned to get the final surgery and she said no, that the surgery was not advanced enuf to guarantee that fysical sensation in her genitals would remain. That I can understand. Anyone who enjoys sex can understand that. Lots of sex educators tell you the best sex organ is your brain, but every guy I know says it is in the tip of your penis.

    I really liked this person's candor and enjoyed the time spent with her, talking on the beach. Oh, and some ppl will wonder why I refer to a person with a penis and balls as "her." IDK, she had breasts and long hair also but female was the persona she was projecting. I just felt that she was female.

    I did not enquire about her sex life. I have lots of friends I know even more personally whom I do not make such enquiry. But, I could be excited by her and get intimate with all her parts. Then again, I am bi and get aroused by men or women.

    Maybe that and the fact that I am a nudist and can't take all these mainstream body issues seriously is why it is so disheartening to see the mean-spirited and ignorant legislators (and their mainstream electorate) create problems that are not there concerning which restroom transgender ppl must use. Like my acquaintance on the beach, when she is dressed, it is as a woman and no one would know what parts she has between her legs. To make a law based on that alone and not the person's actual gender and forcing an apparent woman into a men's room is misguided and confusing at best and dangerous at its worst.

    I have been using men's rooms all my life and never once saw a man's genitals even standing at a urinal next to me. More so, I would not know what was between a man's legs sitting inside a toilet stall in a public restroom. That is how it would also be in a women's room, so what is the problem? Again, ignorant ppl waste time making a problem where none exists. (Like some stupid "War on Drugs" that accomplished nothing except creating crimes and filling prisons)

    It is time for the mainstream culture in the U.S. to grow up and quit attacking anything that is different. I have encountered female attendants in a men's room in Germany and none of the guys standing in her view at the urinals seemed to have a problem with that. We all know what parts are between ours and the other genders legs, so what is the big deal?

    BTW, the fear seems to be that someone with a penis is going to be using the women's room. No one even considers that such laws might force someone like Buck Angel to use the women's room when he is quite content to use the men's room.

    Do you really think women would be more comfortable with that?

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  2. Terrapin2190

    Terrapin2190 I am nature.

    I have my own (perhaps slightly [personally] biased views) on certain aspects in the area of the transgender populace. That, I will not discuss here because it is irrelevant and I mostly keep it to myself anyways. As for the whole bathroom rules thing, I totally agree with you. It's no secret that women are generally more accepting of others' differences in society. I also agree that 'forcing' someone that is transgender to use the men's restroom simply because they do have a penis would lead to ridicule and potentially violence. I see no problem where these people (politicians and greenback mongers) are creating one.

    Great post and interesting situation you had! I look forward to reading what others think of this.

    I'll also add that reading about your experience at a nude beach now has me considering 'testing the waters' if you don't mind my pun :D It sounds like a healthy experience everyone should be able to enjoy at some time in their life. Sounds freeing. Liberating. A way to shed more than just your clothes, but also parts of your mind.

    Cool stuff lol.
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  3. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

    In all my 59 years, I've never been in a women's bathroom with more than one toilet that didn't have stall/s with doors! I absolutely don't give a shit :D who is in the other stall/s, behind those doors.

    Seriously, I hope any/all trans females go in the women's bathroom where there are stall doors and nobody will worry about wth is happening.

    Now - is that dude up there in Shale's post not a dude? If he were to come in the women's bathroom, that would shock me to death! (well, not to death...but I would wonder what is HE doing in here, and be glad there was that stall door)
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  4. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    These new socially conservative laws are absurd, and seem totally unenforceable. If someone uses the restroom that matches their outward appearance, how is anybody going to know there is a potential violation of the law? Who is going to question them, and why? It seems to me that using a public restroom that does not match your physical appearance is much more likely to provoke an incident that leads to someone calling the police.

    What's next, having to show photo ID with a gender designation to a bathroom attendant? Drop our pants for a genital inspection?

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  5. Shale

    Shale ~

    Buck is an adult film maker, a trans man, an award winning porn star (branding himself the “man with a pussy”), a speaker, and an activist who push for trans sex positivity.

    I used him as an example because he does PSA memes on this issue and he is the only trans person that I know for sure has not had Gender Reassignment Surgery. (got pix if you want to see)

    The problem is that not all trans women look entirely like women in the process. Some may never get all those body facial features exact. Those are the ones who get targeted.

    Hopefully, if these laws get passed there will be enuf androgenous or manly looking women to get harassed and sue the bastards for it so that they back off this stupid idea.
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  6. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

    Restrooms are one thing, and it's understandable to give a little bit of leeway for transgender people there if they LOOK the part at the very least. But gym locker rooms where people undress.......well that's a lot more problematic. And I can understand how encountering the opposite gender in the locker room can be very concerning for a lot of people. Like it or not, there'd be lots of potential sexual harassment and assault issues that we'd be running into if we just allowed anyone who identified as transgender to do whatever the hell they wanted. I mean, if they can at least LOOK the part while fully dressed, they could probably get away with using the other gender's restroom and go completely unnoticed as long as they don't draw attention to it.
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  7. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

    Well, the way I was able to tell which sex some of my fellow co-workers were at McD's (when they 1st started) was by which bathroom they went to. You couldn't tell by the name. :) AND the single only reason I could care less which sex they were (or wanted to be identified as) was because I needed/wanted to know whether to say he or she when referring to them, especially when their name was hard to pronounce or I couldn't remember it. :wheelchair:

    There was a very masculine female (with a flat chest) that I said referred to as he and I should've said she. I really felt bad, but I didn't go on about it because I felt like that would make her feel worse.

    So yeah, I learned to watch which bathroom they went to if I had the slightest question.
  8. TheSamantha

    TheSamantha Member

    If they have sex changes, then transgender people perpetuate the idea that gender is innate rather than socially constructed.
  9. nz male

    nz male Senior Member

    In my country, some schools are now building separate bathrooms for kids who are lesbians / gays . It was the students that asked for them to build toilet facilities for those that didn't consider themselves to be male / female. As most school toilets only had male or female units. Schools should keep up with the times - agree ?
  10. Shale

    Shale ~

    One of my Welsh Cyberfriends sent me this e-mail. As it was in the '60s at the Frankfurt Airport men's room with the female attendant, Europe apparently does not have the problem of separating genders in restrooms.

    [SIZE=10pt]From:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Tony [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10pt]To:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Shale[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10pt]Date:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Mar 22, 2016 11:22 AM[/SIZE]

    Many bars, coffee shops, restaurants and clubs in Europe now only have one toilet that is for both men and women.

    They usually have 4 or 5 cubicles so you can pee and poo in privacy, but it's nothing to be washing your hands afterwards next to a woman putting on make-up.

    I've never known anyone that has a problem with it.

    Perhaps it's a European thing?

  11. TVRachel

    TVRachel Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Shale, I was very interested to read of your encounter on the beach. I've often wondered what the reaction would be if I revisited my old naturist/nudist club presenting as female but with my male genitals. I guess that I'd probably not get a good reception. Probably I'd not risk it on one of our nudist beaches; well not on my own anyway. I think that I'd quite enjoy the beach thing if I could go with a male friend :)

    Here in the UK I don't think that there are any official laws about public toilet usage. I've not used gents toilets for over ten years but I've not had any problems using the ladies. Women do seem to be extremely tolerant of us transgender people and we've had lots of interesting conversations with them in hotels and restaurants. Generally I find that if I'm friendly to the staff in restaurants and hotels they respond very favourably and are friendly back.

    I'm afraid that we don't have the European "thing" here. On the whole people are quite prudish about public nudity.

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  12. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    This thread was a little ahead of its time.
  13. Mattekat

    Mattekat Ice Queen of The North

    They should make a third bathroom and changing room or whatever called the don't give a fuck bathroom. Anyone who isn't bothered by these things can go in.
  14. Wanderiam

    Wanderiam Members

    They could start making bathrooms with separate locked stalls and a main area to wash your hands or what ever. I dont see a problem. Like those unisex toilets. 1 goes in one comes out.
  15. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    I will hold the hands of the cute sissyboys in the little girls room. :)
  16. KathyL

    KathyL Members

    Gender identity is not a social construct. It is innate. Only gender roles and expression are social constructs.

    The mistake people make is assuming it is innate in the genitals. it is not. It is innate in the brain.

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