TPP Secretly Cracking Down On Internet Freedom

This thing is going to be a total disaster... and still nobody cares.

 

If Americans reading this thread will stop masturbating for a moment (literally or figuratively) and do something to make this country a better place, they would join Sen. Elizabeth Warren and get on record as opposing the TPP. It is close to being defeated, but more people need to get involved.

People, the multinational corporations are getting very close to pulling off a coup, taking away aspects of our national sovereignty. You should care about this, but I wonder if you will get off your asses.

I would feel so much better about HipForums if this gets a good response.

 

a lot of people care. i don't know if enough people care enough. naturally our corporate would be masters don't what us to believe enough of us are capable of caring and understanding what its about.

its not just the internet, its about creating a legal framework, to completely eliminate government by consent of the people, and replace it with government by consent of corporate feudalism.

and not just in america, but every signatory nation to these so called 'trade' agreements.

and it isn't just a handful of real people in america who are saying "hell no" either. i don't think anyone in any of the countries affected want what these things are really all about.

open and free trade would be fine, open and free borders for real people would be even better.

but nafta is the proof, that's not what these things are about. usurping consent of the governed is.

 

its all about money, money rules the world right now. i dont really know what we can do anymore, the people really have no say in anything now. they dont care what you and i want.

 

^^^ I didn't like both of your posts because I "like" the nature of what you've said.... but because what you both have said is true.



In short... We are fucked.




But as Scratcho would say.... "BUY MORE... BUY MORE NOW"

 

I read an in-depth history of Mussolini and his fate yesterday. What a beautiful ending. I like stories with nice endings like that. I'm quite sure these corporate motherfuckers haven't forgotten that story...which is why we have a military/police state and why nothing will probably change in the immediate future. Passiveness is nothing but begging at the feet of the establishment and hoping for change. Calling our politicians does nothing because they don't give a fuck about us. Things will change only when there is no other possible outcome for the powerful to remain in power. The rest is a facade.

 

In my previous post, I said that "they" have ALL the time in the world to get their agenda completed. Some of the rights plans have succeeded

and the move away from democracy and a strong middle class is continuing. We know from history, that this kind of uncaring, unscrupulous, hell bent attempt to exclude regular citizens from reasonable participation in government processes with the resulting scramble to have pretty much ALL the money, regardless of --well-- anything is not new. But it's relentless. Propaganda certainly workscoughfoxnewscough. Wonder what the bottom line will be when the right-wing has both houses of congress, the white house, the supreme court AND THE news media under their control.

I fervently hoped that the repubs would win it all in 2000, just so those with the powers of observation could/would see how they are and what they do. They did--we saw--and evidently loved it--they're back again. They have no fealty to ANY COUNTRY--but lip service seems to work these days as it seems quite enough for voters.

 

The right wing was all worried about a "fast track" for the TPP because Obama would do "bad things" with that power.


It finally dawned on them (or they were told) what they could do if they got a Republican president with that power and they couldn't pass "fast track" quick enough.


So now we just wait for the shyt to hit the fan... :hitsfan:

 

Why is our President shilling for Trans Pacific Partnership?

He said: "I love Elizabeth, but she is wrong on TPP"

 

I think you are too cynical. It isn't quite as bad as that. For instance, the main reason the proposed merger between Comcast and Time-Warner Cable fell apart was because of grass-roots opposition, a lot of petitions signed, a lot of phone calls, a lot of letters to politicians, because it was pretty obvious that the consumers were going to get screwed by it.

 

That is one good example but I don't think it's the norm. There are probably other good examples too but for every good example....I can probably think of 5 (or more) other times that politicians ignored or disregarded what was best for their constituents or what their constituents want.

 

This could be me being cynical again but I don't think the Republicans were ever really against "fast tracking" it. They want it passed because it will help the corporations and I think many of the Democrats do too. I think the whole fast tracking debate is nothing more than a political show with a predetermined outcome. Make it look like there was serious opposition but allow the deal to be signed before the public ever sees exactly what the deal is.

 

Depends on how "constituents" gets defined... It used to mean the people in their district. All the people in their district.


Now, it's more like the CEOs and investors in big businesses... Maybe a few wealthy campaign donators. The phrase "let me check with my constituents" usually now means somebody is actually writing a check.



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Nope, it's not that simple. The situation with the TPA & TPP is very interesting right now. It is not clear at all that it will pass, because there are so many on both sides of the aisle that oppose it.

On the Democrat side, there are quite a few that are opposed to it. It's like NAFTA on steroids and NAFTA harmed American jobs and wages. There are concerns about environmental issues and labor issues. They believe that the main reason it is secret is because if the American people knew what was in it, they would be opposed. They believe that it will mostly help the very rich and big multinational corporations. It will have a negative effect on the freedom of the internet, too.

On the Republican side, many do not want to give Obama any more authority. Some (like Sen. Sessions) are worried that Obama will use the TPA to force through more immigration changes, even though that seems quite unlikely. Many Tea Party types are completely opposed to the loss of national sovereignty that the Investor-State Arbitration clause represents. Many are hearing from their base that people don't really believe any more that trade agreements are good for jobs and wages.

Right now, Sen. McConnell is counting votes because it's close.

 

John Boehner this morning said he wasn't sure he had the votes for TPA (fast-track). Paul Ryan was pretty sure the votes were there.

 

Seems former Senate Majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada said he will stop the fillibuster if he receives redistributive goodies as a compensator.

 

The big Senate debate on Fast-Track is going on right now. The vote is scheduled for 2:30 pm. It looks very close. I'm starting to think that it's going to be defeated, which would be a big blow to all the lobbyists and mega-corporations who are used to getting their way with Congress.

Btw, there is also an incredibly important debate going on concerning renewal of the Patriot Act. This is a big week in Congress.

 

The Senate voted to block Fast-Track! But this is not the final word. The Dems are trying to get Sen. McConnell to attach another bill that addresses currency manipulation by foreign countries. Many feel that unless foreign currencies are prevented from being manipulated to affect balance-of-trade, the TPP won't work to create jobs.

McConnell says he won't do that and Obama says that the currency provisions will be a deal-killler.

Stay tuned.