Topic: Anti-Christians.

I'M SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT REBUTTLING THEM....




Ok you look at the website and I asked you if you could explain why the gate is still sealed.

Your response:

"PS: I have checked out yer site... it made me laugh."

WoW you are really convincing!

 

Ok you look at the website and I asked you if you could explain why the gate is still sealed.

Your response: "Jizzes HAD short hair"?

 

well thought out

 

What I do is look at the Sum Total of all the Prophecies made in the Old and New Testaments.

Then I start playing conservative with the numbers..
..and liberal with the possible interpretations.

By 'liberal' I mean that I give the most leniency possible to so Im not 'reading in' more than is possible.

by 'conservative' I mean I am willing to give 'Chance' as much credit as possible.

After all that - Im still astounded by the minimum amount of Prophecy that have so far been fulfilled.

Just predicting the 'empires' could be a 'great intuition and guess' if I really really stretched my imagination.

Just predicting the Temple would be destroyed 'could possibly' be another lucky estimate.

Just predicting The Diaspora 'might' just be a freaky fluke or a highly intelligent insight..

But when I see hundreds of these all coming true (even given the most flexible of interpretations allowable) then I have no choice but to conclude the writers must have had some supernatural gift bestowed upon them.

I cant escape it.

Unless... I use the principles the critics use here:
If there is any chance a prophecy can be interpreted to not precisely fit the event in question (using maximum strictness in word and tense usage) then I 'therefore' cancel out that prophecy.
Then systematically do that with each Prophecy.

In their minds they have 'therefore' eliminated all of them.

I admit I do not have the immense amount of blind faith required to be as assured as the Critics are!

 

Foreshadowing: To present an indication or a suggestion of beforehand; presage.

Prophecy: A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.


people deny the bible mostly on the grounds that there are many contradictions in terms within it.

foresight and prophecies are the same thing. it's only seen as "different"
because one is considered more rightous. pagans tell the future all the time. are they profits? of course not they just have the gift of foresight or are liars...why?because they are not religious.

Ireland will be a nation once again.....is that prophecy or foresight?

the end will come in a hail of woe and reprisal...if in fifty years the world does come to an end will i have been judged a prophet because i was a christian? no.


point is thats not proof of anything withint the bible. people the world over can see what the future holds. just because someone saw the coming of a saviour does not mean they were a prophet.


the proof of the bible depicting fact is within the factual discoveries. not withint the spiritual enlightenment of those with what could only be described at the time as "crackpot ideas".


those who aren't spiritual cannot look to spiritual factors to assume fact. they look to science,geography,statistics.


they know jesus did exhist, they know he spoke out against the ignorant both religious or not religious alike. they know the sea opened at joesephs feet...some "prophecies" came to pass.

that is fact. as to wether they were of some Godlike intervention...that will "NEVER" be proved.

and because the bible is based on the whole concept of jesus walking on water, god talking to the people,angels in the loft...feats that go against all scientific reasoning bar the historical statistics.....lets face it......it never will BE fact because it is all a spiritual interpretation.

and that goes for prophecies.they never will be proved as prophecies because its quite possible they were actually the rantings of loons.

 

HERE HERE!!

*buys Genesis a beer*

 

Why were some books of the bible removed in the last mellenia?
because the poeple in power didnt like them?
or because they beleived they werent true?

either explination leads to allow solid basis that either the bible has been edited to become more neat and have better continuity, or that parts of the bible were in fact made up and therefor any part of the bible could be made up.

It doesnt matter if you beleive the new bible and the original scriptures mean the same thing, if they dont say the same thing, then it leads to allow solid basis (exactly same principle as before) that all the scriptures are modifications of those before them, leading to different meanings as modifications build up.

If you want things to mean the same thing, you can interpret them that way, but that doesnt make them any more true than an interpretation that sees every book contradicting the others.

 

StonerBill,

Its not often I can dismiss an entire post as nonsense but in your case its easy.
Sorry mate, Im honestly not making a personal 'flame' at you - its just that you really do not know what your talking about, what is actually 'happening' or why you are rambling on about things you 'think' you read somewhere.

Genesis,
You just fell into my previous category of people dismissing each Prophecy in what must be a flawed and inefficient way.
[Im no statistician but try and follow your logic]

You insist that Prophecy-1 might have happened by chance. (Agreed)
However, even if the chances of it happening are 100-1, you will hold on to that 'One' in a Hundred it was NOT Supernatural.

Now, here is the next problem.
You dont weigh all the Prophecies as a whole.

Like I say, I purposely play the numbers conservative but you might consider this.
Prophecy-1 has a 60% chance of being divine prediction
Prophecy-2 has a 75% chance of being divine prediction
Prophecy-3 has a 80% chance of being '' '' '' ''

After a while you are looking at a 1 in 60,000,00 chance these Prophecies (on the whole) are by 'Chance' or 'Guess'.

You seem to go in a reverse direction.
Im not sure that is helpful unless you are trying to fool yourself?

I would be interested if anyone here is handy with numbers to possibly clarify what Im getting at?
I know Josh McDowell had an excellent explanation for the math in his book 'Evidence that Demands a Verdict'
Anyone got a copy?

 

You don't know the prophecies. Prophecies are detailed. You would know that if you knew the prophecies.

Lets take the Messianic prophecies:

Before Jesus came the Bible wrote...

The messiah would be born of a virgin.
The messiah would be sold for 30 piecies of silver.
The messiah would be cruxified.
The Messiah would rise from the died.

AND REMEMBER THIS IS BEFORE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE CHRIST CAME TO THE EARTH. AND THESE ARE ONLY 4 OF THE MORE THAT 300+ PROPHECIES THAT JESUS FULFILLED.

So don't say the prophecies of the Bible are vague.

 

Predicting something that will happen later in the book is not a prophecy, JesusDude... if anything, it's foreshadowing... sorry... please don't cry...

 

What if the book was written over a time spand of 1600 years. And few of the authors that wrote the Bible predicted something-in detail-early in that 1600 years that came true later in that 1600 years?

It is a fact that the OT was written before the NT remember that.

 

Nearly all religious books were written over a long period of time, does this fact validate them as true? Also, in refrence to predicting the future, the Aztecs had the most sophisticated calender known to man, and they predicted that the world would end round 2012. Will it? And if we beleive they're right, should we resume worshiping Quetzoquotl and preforming human sacrifices?(I'm sorry if I confused the Aztecs and the Myans). And as for the Bible predicting the future, the things said in revelations are so odd that I don't see them happening any time soon. Or is it, unlike all the other parts of the bible, Revelations are open to interpretation and metaphore? Is the Great Beast communist Russia, or Kim Jong Il, or maybe David Hasselhoff? And of course, the great hero of the story will have to be the U.S., the great shining beakon of hope and prosperity and moral clarity in this world of heresies, and degredation and, dare GOD is say it(!): secularism????!?!

 

FreakyJoe the post was fucking awesome.

 

Of course you think it's awesome because if the Bible is true that means you have to change your ways change for the good and that is something you do not want to do. So anything that goes against the Bible is a masterpiece to you.

 

FreakyJoeMan,

"Nearly all religious books were written over a long period of time, does this fact validate them as true? "

-Showtime was trying to say that the Bible predictions were not valid because they predicted and fulfilled within itself. That's why I had to explain to him that the Bible was not written in a day, a month, a year, but centuries. And when the predictions were made about the coming messiah they were made centuries before Christ even came to the earth.

"Also, in refrence to predicting the future, the Aztecs had the most sophisticated calender known to man, and they predicted that the world would end round 2012. Will it? And if we beleive they're right, should we resume worshiping Quetzoquotl and preforming human sacrifices?(I'm sorry if I confused the Aztecs and the Myans). And as for the Bible predicting the future, the things said in revelations are so odd that I don't see them happening any time soon."

-But what have Myans predicted that has come true? Most of what the Bible has predicted has come true. There are only a few prophecies left and today they are being fulfilled.

"And as for the Bible predicting the future, the things said in revelations are so odd that I don't see them happening any time soon. "

-Probably because you really never look at the Bible. But you are looking at end-time prophecies to narrow. End time prophecies are all over the Bible-not just in revelation. For a good overview look at matthew 24-"Jesus tells about the future." But if you really want to get the whole picture read this:

http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/babylon

 

People aren't really that against christians, they are against the fundementalism more, thesaying my path is the best, screw everybody else, they are evil sinners that need to be saved, ahh. If you live the teachings of christ, and become loving, forgiving and serving your fellow man, if you be the christ heart, and open to that unconditional love, that place, that heart space will tell you more then words ever could.

The following comes from www.ramdasstapes.org, this says what I really have to say about Christ.

'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the great and foremost commandment. "And a second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Jesus as quoted by Matthew 22:37)

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." (Jesus as quoted by John 13:34-35)

"You must accept the teachings of Christ and follow them. Christ said to be like a little child-never think or speak anything, that could harm anyone ....... He was crucified so that his spirit could spread throughout the world . He sacrificed his body for the dharma. He never died, he never died. He is Atman (The Soul) living in the hearts of all........Why was Christ so maligned?" Maharajji was asked."It is so with all saints, they see only love in everyone. You should not speak, hear or do evil. You should see love everywhere and in everyone. See the good in all."
excerpts from Miracle of Love Stories about Neem Karoli Baba by Ram Dass


SO, do you think this is anti-christian, because it presents an alternative view of Christ that is not accepted by mainstream christianity, but rather by mystics in many different religions and path, including certain sects of christianity!

When you realize that heart of eternal compassion, when you are laughing and playing with god, dancing with the oneness of your love, you see the unity in the religious, spiritual paths, you see the unity in all things.

The thing is we seem to communicate this different in words, some say this, some say that.

We need to drop the spiritual elitism, the fundementalist, everything by the book insanity, go beyond the rational mind, find the divine madness, and dance and play with god together as ONE!

 

GanjaPrince,

Through your understanding how would one get to heaven?

 

Heaven is buried in this present moment. It is a place inside where all your desires are fulfilled. Tremendous bliss, overwhelming happiness, seeing light shine from all that is around you, because you now look out from your inner heart, the world is transformed, each person you see is Christ smiling at you, every blade of grass is God singing, "I love you!" you are filled with the holy spirit, as your march that freedom highway deeper and deeper within.

Jesus said, "The kingdom of God is within."

That means it is in you, your heart... you don't go to wait until you die while marching around preaching about being a true believer or whatever getting points for some hotel in the sky. It's in you, in your heart, deep in there but it is THERE! In your soul, you must become one with christ.


The goal of a true christian is to live Christ, is to become one with christ... Like mother theresa, sitting at a table in silence, all the beings around her she sees as her savior christ, then all the help she gives to those that suffer so much, she is making love to those suffering beings she serves. She is doing it because she loves christ so much, so much her hands are practically bleeding his wounds, she does everyone he recommends to become one with christ, she is living it, not saying my path is the best and all the sinners are going to hell... she would probably say who am I to judge, or something equally as cute!

christ is meant to inspire us, God is so beautiful, so wonderful, that giving everything to her is worth it. Total surrender, even your body, nails in your hands, screaming out in pain, and laughing with god on the inside, total love, total bliss, total surrender to god!



Note: (Sure there are astral planes that are heavenly that one could go to when the body dies, but an astral heaven is just one option, there are all kinds of planes of reality that all exist HERE AND NOW, the souls can travel from body to body, it can also go to higher and lower planes depending on the situation and what the soul needs to learn... No hell is permanant, and no astral heaven is forever. God is forever, her love is infinite!)

 

Seek the kingdom of heaven within you.
I and my father are one.
What I have done you can do also and more.
Walk with me hand in hand and gaze and the limitless light of my formless face.

Words...

Seek the living word within.
Go into yourself and listen.
Prayer is speaking to God.

Meditation is listening to God.

Let thine eye be single and the body will fill with light.

Peace be with you & Namaste,
Yeshua

 

So many things that contradict the Bible I don't know where to start.