Topic: Anti-Christians.

Well, for one, she never answered your question. I also noticed that she attempts to speak as if she has all the answers. She mentions things one would only expirience when using drugs. So many things she said contradict The Bible.

There are other scriptures that may fit this situation better, however, I find this one as being a light at the end of a tunnel. It reminds me that satan is hard at work every second attempting to distract people from God. It would seem, that from your post satan is doing his work on you. I agree with Jesus being love in it's purest form. However, He does not reside in all of us. As a matter of fact, when looking at the population of the world, Jesus exists in but only a few of our hearts. Again, this is talked about in The Bible that so many want to discredit. When I speak of my relationship with Jesus I am not speaking about a religion. I am speaking about a personal relationship. I don't follow a religion, I follow The Bible's instructions to my best ability as a human and ask for forgivnes when I fail.

All that said. What you speak of will never happen. At least, not while I am on this earth. The world will eventualy see peace, but it will be led by the anti-christ. To me it would seem your views on Christ are led by a dilusion feeding off the use of drugs. You will deny all of this, but I will make 2 more points. You mention God as a her. Well, God created man after His own image. Jesus also called Him The Father, His Father.

Again, you are contradicting God's Word. Hell is real and So is Heaven. You can believe it or not, but in the end, you will end up in one of the two. Jesus said he is the only way into Heaven. All your good work wont get you there. From your post alone this is why I again refer to John 10:10. It would seem you are here only to destroy God.

 

thats such a typical christian thing to say. assuming atheists are sinners? Im an atheist but i follow the morals set down by the bible more than most beleivers i know.

the majority of poeple who claim to be religious dont uphold the teachings of jesus if they can help it and if they do they think everyhting ok as long as they go to church about it.

The basis of christianity, and gathering from most of the comments by christians, is that you beleivers only do waht you do so that you can go to heaven.

My atheist beleifs bring morality to an issue of actual compassion for life, instead of the rules one must follow to enjoy an eternal afterlife.

This is one of my biggest problems with religion.

And dont any of you christians deny that your following god's teachings so that you can go to heaven. If you do, back it up with a lot!

 

Everyone is a sinner, not just non-believers. Christians sin as well.

Oh, and I don't follow Jesus just to get into Heaven. I yern for a relationship with Him. Heaven is a reward for serving Him. I long to have a better relationship with Him. He fills that void in our lives. It's more than Heaven. It's peace and satisfaction, it's love and that warm fuzzy fealing. It's everything I need in my life. Again, Heaven is just a reward.

 

Why not start on the things in the Bible that contradict themselves?

 

lmao...no i wasn't saying that....prophecies are only prophecies to people who are believe in the spiritual intervention of god....in otherwords...if god speaks to his chosen one.



my point was prophecy does not prove a religion to be accurate. nothing can prove the bible to be acurate upon the matter of spirituality because spirituality cannot fall within reasoning for the world because people cannot find proof of spirituality.

yes they hear "stories" that give evidence to prove there "might" exist spirituality and divine intervention.that leaves reasonable doubt though.

but for those who are non believers, trying to convince them that prophecy and forsight was fulfilled and therefore the bible is true because of that is not going to happen because they are people who need real scientific answers not just the ramblings of christians saying that yes in fact god spoke to these people.think of how unrealistic that attempt at "proof" would be to you if you didn't believe.


the bible is not proved just because someone said jesus will be crucified and he was. there is a lot more to it then just that.something that runs a lot deeper.



if you don't believe in spiritual intervention then prophecies are null because you don't believe in god. and if we as believers can only prove he existed by saying the prophecies made of the coming of jesus in the old testament actually came true as depicted in the new testament [taking into consideration that they don't believe in the bible as a depiction of fact] then we are not actually proving anything and both sides are left ignorant for it.


christians put a lot of faith in the possibility of prophecy. non-believers do not. relying on a book that might just be a heap of crap, to a non believer ,discounts them as valid or possible so all they will see it as is foresight or us beig blind.






i myself believe prophecies are fulfilled.not all within the bible to me were spoken from the mouth of god to his chosen one. but i do believe that most were. but i do not rely on these "possibilities" as the defining force of the bible which i think is what a lot of people do

and anyway that post begs the question, did that writer find mathematical proof that god exists and spoke to the prophets...or does it prove that 1 in 6000 will get it right? just wondering..im mildly sceptical of the former to be honest. just if you could clear that one up.

 

I just want to add, that not all christians think, act, speak and promote these fundementalist ideals that are being put forth in this post. In the same way that the Islamic religion is often labeled as awful because of the extreme terrorist sects, people forget the dancing mystical sufi sect that write poetry, seek divine love, and talk about the unity in religions. Many christians feel the bible is symbolic and everything in it, should not be taken at totally literal, they have respect and tolerance for other religions, and seek to follow the teachings of Christ about love, forgiveness, nonviolence and other such things. Many of these christians do not claim that christ is the only way, and all other spiritual and non-spiritual people are going to some lake of fire, instead they see it as the path they have chosen and focus on bettering themselves not claiming that they are better. These christians which are closer to the true spirit of Christ, should not be put in a box with extreme fundementalists that deserve much compassion and love. These fundementalists are shaming the beloved Jesus Christ, they are shaming his message, they are shaming his sacrafice on the cross. Jesus cries tears of blissful compassion for them and urges us to forgive them for they do not know.

Qualities of Christ consciousness

Matt 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

non-judging mind. You see God in all, all in god. Or as the buddhists would say, you see only emptiness of form, while seeing the formlessness and transitory nature of ultimate reality which frees you from all suffering yet have total compassion for those that do not see it...

Matt 22:37-39
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Total love for all that is, everything is god, you love it with all of your essence, in mind, body and soul... and other beings are you, they have this kingdom of god within, they deserve as much love as you should give yourself. See all thier "flaws" as your flaws, they deserve unconditional love!

Matt 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

non-violence is the answer, or if we take up the sword (violence) we will destroy ourselves.

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

He saying, you look for it within you, find a technique, the breath, raja yoga, kriya yoga, mantra, chanting, whatever, what have you, seek this kingdom not in the external world, but find it within yourself! IN this moment, NOW!

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This means, coming into the father (God-conciousness, buddha realm, ultimate reality, krishna consciousness, the garden of allah, the ein-sof, it has been called many things by many mystics but it is BEYOND words) you must come by him, meaning you take on all the attributes of christ...

this happened, to all the great mystics, saints, they were loving, forgiving, had the same sorts of powers also known as siddhis as Jesus, we all share it, it is in all of us.

praise be all that is!

 

Are you kidding me? I follow the bible....I'm Catholic, I thought the pic in my sig was pretty obvious. Stop jumping to conclusions, FreakyJoe made some good points in his post, and if you opened up your mind a tiny bit you might be able to see that.

 

Oh I know I sin(I try not to) but I sin. However, I do know I don't preach things that contradict the Bible or agree with people that preach things that contradict the Bible. The Bible is truth and anything that goes against the Bible is a lie.

 

Jesus said many people will worship him with their lips but their hearts are far from him. A picture of the virgin Mary is not what gets you saved. But it is what is in your heart-if you trully love Jesus-he only knows. Again, the Bible is truth and anything that goes against the Bible is a lie.

 

Okay.....point? I could just as easily say the same thing to you.

I never said it did. I am just proud of my Roman Catholic Christianity.

Anything that goes against what in the bible? What about our laws that forbid slavery and stoning women for adultery? You have to interpret the Old Testament in a non literal manor, otherwise you would end up supporting such outdated punishments.

 

Sorry FreakyJoeMan. The Myan Calender does not predict the end of the world in the year 2012. That was a conclusion some people made up because that was the year the Myan calender ended. I have a calender that ends in 2006, and I'm sure the world will continue after that date. If you just read the book of Revelation you will always be left trying to interpret it. You see the way the bible was setup, God put half of the prophecy in the New testament and the other half is in the Old Testament. Unless you put the prophecies together they don't make any sense. According to bible prophecy, the beginning of the end of the world as we know it, would start when the Jews retake Israel and Jerusalem. The prophecies have a lot to say about the United States. God said that our nation is hard pressed against the Holy God of Israel. America has blood on it's hands. We have laws that give us the legal right to abort 40 million American children, but God is not impressed. According to the prophecies, a judgement will fall on America. The prophecies clearly state, that God will allow northern nations to rise up against us. And these nations will destroy all of America's cities with fire in one hours time. The prophecies state, that afterwards, the land will be so polluted that no man will ever be able to live here again. The bible states that at the same time, the sun will be dimmed, and the moon will appear blood red. If you know anything about nuclear winter, you will understand what is being stated here.
America gave up the moral high ground a long time ago. Just before America is destroyed, God will send in an angelic rescue mission to save those who love Him. God said the destruction of our nation will be simular to the destruction of Sodom and Gamora. Remember when God destroyed those cities in the bible he sent His angles to rescue lot and his family.

 

you know, jozak, i'd post ehre more but you've pretty much got it under control keep up the good work!

 

Jozak,


"I never said it did. I am just proud of my Roman Catholic Christianity."

-The Bible speaks of having pride before a fall


"Anything that goes against what in the bible? What about our laws that forbid slavery and stoning women for adultery? You have to interpret the Old Testament in a non literal manor, otherwise you would end up supporting such outdated punishments."

-The stoning of women was under the OT law. The reason for the OT law was to prove to the world that the law was not suffiecient for salvation. The NT which we now live under transcends those outdated punishments and that is why Jesus said he is without sin cast the first stone.

 

People attack Christianity because it is an infantile blind faith religion.

Most religions try to have things to THINK about, like Buddhism, and Rastafari, time is spent contimplating things, not just following for no god damn reason other than pretending it's because you "feel jesus' love". Most religions don't contradict themselves so much you can't even make a list, within the same chapter. Most religions don't tell everyone who doesn't believe that they'll burn in fire for eternity.

 

Wow! Is this your first time in this forum because campbell and I have been writing for awhile now for a while now that Christianity is far from blind faith. The Bible is what seperates Christianity from all religions. It was inspired by God. Prove the Bible wrong and you might have a case... but that will not happen... to save time click the link in my signiture.

 

Ahhh, look, the bible is not, I repeat, not indesputable fact. Look, the preacher at our church admits that. It's not objective, 'twas written by men over a period of a couple decades, or even centuries, and is a product of religion, culture, and just happenstance.

Look: the desk I am sitting at is made out of molecules. <<<That is fact.

God will destroy America for having legal abortions<<< As such, this is not fact because, for one, it is a "prediction" and you cannnot, cannot accurately predict the future. Second, there isn't incontrovertible truth that there is a god in the first place.

And while we're at it, why would 'God' only destroy america for having a law protecting abortion rights, and not, say, stopping Saddam Hussein from gassing the Kurds, or preventing the mass genocide of the Tutsies in Rwanda, or fucking selling weapons to Saddam Hussein in the first place??

Prophesies, prophesies...hmmmmmm...I prophesise that I shall live to be one hundred and two, and in my lifetime, I shall make love to thousands of women, create a cure for cancer, and put a bullet in the head of Kim Jong Il. It is true, can you prove me wrong?

This will prolly be my last post in the Phi/Relig. forum for a while, cause my head's startin to hurt. Adios, you poor bastards.

 

Quote: Just before America is destroyed, God will send in an angelic rescue mission to save those who love Him. God said the destruction of our nation will be simular to the destruction of Sodom and Gamora.

When did god discuss America...I know America discusses god constantly, just never read anything in the bible about the 215 year old country.


Christinas WISH and HOPE that things will be this cut and dried, that they will be saved by an angel prior to gods destruction of the country because of its abortion practices....
keep on praying for something to come save YOU while other people actually work on fixing the problems we have here on Earth, the REAL problems that threaten the existence of human life.

 

well, seamonster, i'm sure many christians would say they they ARE actively trying to right the wrongs in america, but you will say that you don't like the way they're going about it.

 

sorry but i was just wondering was that in reference to my post?

cos im not a fundamentalist i don't think.i just always saw myself as christian. i thought they were just christians that hated gays? or am i completely wrong. i see how ignorant that may sound but i really don't know anything about fundamentalist christians.

 

hee hee....brilliant.