Yet a new Conspiracy Theorie.Ok the U.S used tactical nukes. Do you know how this sounds thinking the U.S was behind this attack ? Bottom line is Israel does not need help form the U.S they have one of the best militarys in the world. On the other hand I can't wait until we Bomb the shit out of Irans nuke plants.
Either way, i dont see the US needing Israel for cover. Nor do i see Israel needing the US for a strike.
skip i would love to believe your story but.......... having recently visited syria (some 4 weeks ago i think) to do some sightseeing at historical sites all over the country and speaking to many people and using my own eyes and ears for information on the ground i can tell you this.. i find it hard to believe this event has occurred. why? the syrian police and other authorities seemed extremely relaxed. driving by their military sites it would seem that most of them spend the day sleeping or drinking tea. if syria had been under attack and stuff had been blown up with major damage it is unlikely that i would have been allowed in the country and whilst in the country, the police when i encountered them would have scrutinised a foreigner a lot harder than usual. nothing i saw in that country suggested that anything had happened. like most things of this nature, word gets out and quickly. the mood on the streets was relaxed and unconcerned with no hostility to me as a foreigner (in fact i found syrians as a people the most straight forward and honest of any of the countries i visited). i tend to believe very little of whats fed to me these days who knows maybe i'm wrong but from what i've experienced first hand nothing appears to have happened apart from an israeli journalist visiting the site in syria and finding nothing as well. these "news stories" just seem to be the usual fare in the march to war you need to create news to make more of it happen.
Well I doubt you would've noticed anything. It's not like the US & Israeli Jets did fly-bys of Damascus on their way to bomb the facility. Damascus can't admit that they were breaking the law and treaties they'd signed (non-proliferation). They can't admit Iranians and North Koreans were killed at the facility. In fact any information released would only make them look bad, so there is none to report, which isn't so unusual in a dictatorship like Syria's where the media is tightly controlled. In addition the facility was as far away from Damsacus as possible, near the Iraq & Turkish borders. It was TOP SECRET, which means your average cop on the street won't know shit about it. Hell, what has the entire US intelligence services discovered about the source of the Anthrax attacks after 6 years? If that can be kept quiet in a huge "democracy" such as the US, imagine how easy it is to keep secrets in a tiny dictatorship as Syria... BTW, in every muslim country I've been to, and that's a lot, everyone is very relaxed, few people really get excited about the news unless you have a situation like Pakistan, but that's different because in South Asia people are very quick to riot as I found out personally. If this was just another propaganda step on the way to war, it seems the US and Israelis are being very quiet about it and NOT making a big propaganda issue or releasing any details. Again that is because the details of the attack and attackers won't make the US and Israelis look good either. Thus all we get is silence...
Israel needed the US for the strike because it may have required nukes. Israel currently has the big bunker busters, but I don't think they've got a nuke to put on it yet (still in development, probably). The US planes reportedly were armed with tactical nukes in case the bunker busters didn't work. The US gave the Israelis the secret codes so they could identify US planes and not think they were hostiles. The US also got permission from Israel for overflights. Both of these happened just prior to the attack. I assumed they would go together, with the US there just in case the Israeli planes were attacked or if things escalated. But the US was very keen to try out the new jamming technology on the Russian missile defense system. They shut down all Syria's electronic defenses and much of Lebanon's too. I think that was the big test and apparently it was 100% successful.
Wow Skip What a great Movie script that would be but thats about it. Please show me some facts to back up your far out story. Bashar al-Assad Syrias leader would love if the US had any thing to do with the Bombing. He would have every news organization in the world there. Al Jazeera would have a field day with a story like that and so would every other leader in the world who hates the US. Russia and China would have the UN security council call a emergency meeting over this.And the U.S would never use tactical nukes for a small raid like that to begin with. They would only use them in major all out Wars before you use Big Megaton Bombs. The US also knows that from even a tactical nuke the fall out could spread up to 100 miles away. When we Hit Irans nuke plants in a few months from now we won't even use Tactical nukes for that we will use are new 30,000 pound Bunker buster with regular Bunker Busters, then after the first wave of the Attack we will follow that up with cruise Missles and regular Bombing from B52's and Air craft carrier based Jets.
Please read the entire thread b4 responding so I don't have to respond again to the same wrong comments.
What are you talking about Skip This is my Response to your Crazy Ass Theory. That buy the way you have no facts to back up at all .Your only info is from conspiracy theorist Web Sites and crazy Authors that half of you belive like its the word of GOD.
Well it would be nice if you commented on what I said, not what you THINK I said. Make me respond again to your ignorant rant, and you're history.
i think the problem is that america and its coalition of the "willing" have done so many stupid things it is hard not to believe that they've done another stupid thing. i find it extremely hard to believe syria would allow someone to come into their country and annihilate a major installation, secret or not. this kind of reaction would have provoked a major reaction from syris and its allies. the real story is the sanctions that will ultimately be imposed on iran. these sanctions when they come into force will provoke the most savage of responses because the neighbouring countries of iraq have seen what sanctions do - cripple them before a massive invasion. this is why there is no way in hell iran et al will ever negotiate because they understand that these "negotiations" ultimately lead to death and destruction. this is the problem of false negotiations. the secular populace of mainland usa have, like the israelis, been signed up to fight a war for the religious fanatics that have taken over their main branches of government. this why you hear calls from normal americans and israelis saying "why can't we have peace"? like afghanistan, america and israel will too share the same fate because religious fanatics have started declaring war on all and sundry. why on earh would a weakened war torn country like afghanistan ever launch a war on the worlds number 1 superpower? because god told them to do it. the taliban were in charge of the country that openly sheltered usama bin laden when he openly declared himself to have organised an atack on the usa killing many people. the usa instead of going through the normal legal channels of declaring war and asking the UN what it thought, charged into a minefield cheered on by religious bodies of the usa . the taliban believed that allah would protect them, the religious bodies in the government of the "west" believed jehova or god would help them and provide the superior moral imperative for war. what you have going on in afghanistan and iraq is a religious war fuelled by the prospect of total control of the major oil fields of the middle east. people are trying to find reason and order from a situation that has no reason or order. when religious bodies take over all sorts of stupid thing happen. you cannot reason with anyone infected by religion. if you have ever spoken to someone like this they believe all sorts of silly things that defy even the lowest levels of logic as they wave their holy book at you. psychologically it is easier to go to actual war with a country you have already "attacked" than one that you haven't. if the the average joe on the street believes syria has already been bombed it makes it a lot easier for the government to go to war with syria (strange as that may seem). i would be highly surprised if anything at all has been attacked.
You don't get it. There was NOTHING they could do about the attack itself. It was OVER before they even knew it happened! Nothing appeared to them because their radar systems were jammed! That alone is enough embarrassment for them to have to admit (which they would if they made the facts public - and that's just one embarrassing item in this event). Syria & Iran cannot respond because they would be annihillated, esp. without working radar systems. Bullshit. Sanctions only work on the very poor and the very rich who get their accounts seized. For the average joe, it means nothing. It certainly doesn't cripple a whole nation, esp. one which has been under sanctions for years. The country of Afghanistan has NEVER threatened the USA. It was just a pretext for invasion. Yes, and this is EXACTLY what Bush has done, and thus, he doesn't need any further authorizations to attack again and again.... All you ppl are forgetting just what went down before the US & Israel attacked Syria. Many people, including high gov't officials & investors & oil companies, etc. were all bracing for a major war to breakout after that attack. They were EXPECTING IT! The word was out, esp. in Israel, but it's being kept TOP SECRET because so many laws were broken to do it.
Wow skip I hope you are right about this the more I thought about it. I hope we do have tecnology that can block out there radar systems. I would love that. Its not like we don't own the skies now of the world this would just put more icing on the cake !!!!
I can't go into details but we do have systems that not only can jam radar, but TV, radio and cell signals. the systems can also make it appear that one aircraft is tens and entering the airspace from a different direction. The USAF has had radar jamming capabilities since the late 60's. The EF-111 was the top of the heap in the 80's and used in the raid on Libya, knocking out their radar sites. the USN's EA-6B Prowler also uses the ALQ-99 tactical jamming system and the USQ-113 communication jamming system I worked on the F-111 and F-16 when I was in the USAF
txbarefooter when we attack a enemy the first thing we do is try to knock out his radar and tracking systems right ? With out that they are pretty much blind and all there surface to air Missles and AA guns are firing blind also. In your opinion do you think we could knock out Chinas radar quick ? how is Chinas technology is it close to par with ours of years behind ?
Why should China worry they can send and sell polluted goods to our country. And we will buy them. In a way it's more effective than a nuclear bomb.
Yes, you can be proud the USA still has the better technology. It was pitted against new Russian technology and won. You'd think the US would be gloating. But in this world of ever higher piles of secrets (while we all lose our personal privacy), this is one no one wants to talk about. There is no strategic advantage to any of the parties involved to make any more facts available to the media or public. This has definitely set Iran's & Syria's agendas back at least a year. Too bad cause they got Hizbollah and Hamas all riled up to attack Israel. But if they attacked now, they'd LOSE big time. So part of the urgency to attack Iran is based upon the knowledge that we can disable their new radar system. At least until they get a new upgrade. Did you know that there are Chinese & Russian troops monitoring all Israeli air activity? The Chinese are right up along the Israeli border under the guise of the UN. The Russians supposedly have a naval base in Syria (I couldn't find it via satellites). They are both very interested in what new technology Israel has. Israel is a leader in electronic systems. But my guess is whatever the US has come up with it isn't giving it to the Israelis yet! That's another reason why the US had to do the bombing because they weren't ready to share the technology yet because they're afraid the Chinese will figure it out. Of course there is the possibility that Israel itself invented the new jamming device, esp. since they were close enough to Syria to do preliminary testing before the big successful test that shutdown all the electronics from Lebanon to the Iraqi border!
Russian President, Vlad Putin, travelled to Iran last week in part to make amends for the failure of the Russian radar systems in the Syrian attack.
yep, usually the command and control centers are the first things you want to take out and without those it is difficult to set up a coordinated defense. China is a very large area, has advanced radar and missle systems and would be nearly impossible to take out all of China's radar installations even if you had a time on target attack. They use the old Soviet idea of quantity over quality but they have quality also. The systems may be the some of the latest Russian hardware, but the control software most likely isn't because you don't want a possible future foe to have your best technology.
You know I find it VERY interesting that the media hasn't even engaged in any speculation about this attack. I can understand not reporting any news about the attack, since none is being released, but you'd think they'd have a field day discussing what we are in this thread. But instead there is TOTAL MEDIA SILENCE on this subject. Just one more thing being censored by our news media. Just one more nail in the coffin of Free Speech and the Bill of Rights.