Tolerance is "too controversial" for CBS and NBC

thats not advocacy advertising.

 

what has been the hot button topic in this country for the past 2 years? Gay marriage. Anyone will make the connection.

 

No, they just dont want the topic even brought up on their station.

they have to provide equal time to all candidates.

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our government.

Everyone has the right to free speech..that doesnt give you the right to run an ad on CBS/NBC/ABC if they dont want it though.

Sorry.

as i told the other guy. Write a letter to complain.

How is it bigotry to neither advocate it nor denounce it?

 

matt, what "gay agenda"?!?

 

ha ha. In a nation of millions that went to see a movie that showed live footage of a guy taking a dump in a toilet in a hardware store and stuffing a car up his butt..... I know, I know, non-sequiter. Ah let's face it and be done with it, anybody too blind to see that the major media has become a puppet needs to just go ahead and have the labotomy.

 

Megara: "No they just dont want the topic even brougth up on their station."


Refusal to air the ad is viewed as anti-gay. The reason they don't want the topic brought up, as explained by Peter Jennings on tonight's (2nd Decmber 04) national news is because they fear a backlash from religious bigots seeing the ad as pro-gay.



Megara: "They have to provide equal time to all candidates."


And so in that case one gets both sides of the story. Proving that in the present circumstance we're not dealing with free speech.



Megara: "Our government"


The rose of totalitarianism by any other name or agent smells just as putrid.



Megara: "Everyone has the right to free speech, that doesn't give you the right to run an ad on CBS."


Confirming once again it's not free speech but power, money and bigotry instead. The United Church of Christ was not permitted to express itself through these media. I've seen plentyof Mormon ads on TV. Maybe we shouldn't sell cars to people with blue eyes.



Megara: "How is it bigotry to neither advocate it nor denounce it?"


Well shucks you know the answer to that one already. Or ought to. Maybe you just wish the answer wasn't common knowledge. It's bigotry not to stand up for equal rights. It's immoral to stand by while a crime is being committed. While people are being persecuted. Didn't your parents teach you that? Didn't you learn it in Sunday school?

Megara: "Sorry"

Don't be sorry for me. Be sorry for yourself.

 

No. The ad doesn't show anything regarding marriage. I wouldn't make that connection. I would just think, "Hey, there's a church that actually doesn't think gays are sinners and are going to hell, I don't hate that church as much as I hate other churches".
If this church wants to show that it accepts gays, LET IT. How on earth does the showing of the ad suggest that CBS "accepts gays" too? That is just insane. If they show a Pine Sol ad, does that mean that other cleaners are not as good as Pine Sol? Does it mean that CBS thinks that? How absurd.

 

check out organizations like www.tolerance.org and www.aclu.org

 

So unless they openly embrace gays they are anti gay?! come on.

huh? we're not getting anti gay messages on tv.

oh please, i'm sick and tired of people who scream fascism or totalitarianism just because they dont like a government action.

You obviously dont understand free speech, i'm sorry.

Marriage is between a man and a woman(DOMA), sorry.

Why should i be sorry? I have no problem with gay unions or eventually gay marriage.

I just have problems with people crying foul because everything doesnt go their way.

 

As you know, ABC/nbc are businesses and they are accountable to the stockholders. It is not in their interest and it is fullly within their right to not air that ad. It has nothing to do with abc/nbc being bigoted, but with them running a successful business. It is not wise to seemingly advocate something that a huge section of this country doesnt accept.

 

Since when does NBC or CBS have a conscience? They aired the swift boat liars commercials. So much for liberal media bias.

 

and they aired anti bush ads..equal time...

 

Megara:

-"So unless they openly embrace gays they're antigay?

Refusal to air the ad is widely viewed as antigay. The proof is in the pudding. Don't ask me ask Peter Jennings. If you are incapable of grasping it you might be capable of understanding that if I don't sell you a car because you have blue eyes I'm abetting bigotry.

-"We're not getting antigay messages on TV"

Of course we are. All the time. How many times on have you heard bigot Bush et al on the TV news promoting a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage? He didn't even have to pay for that coverage. I didn't hear the networks voicing any concerns there about "controversial issues". In this case the refusal to run the ad IS the message.

-"I'm sick and tired of people who scream fascism because they don't like government action."

Then either go see your shrink or take up residence in the nearest dictatorship.

-"You obviously don't understand free speech"

You wish. You yourself state (see below) in this thread that the matter of the networks not airing the ad is not a matter of free speech it's a matter of corporate self-interest. Through, in point of fact, the exercise of bigotry.

-"Marriage is between a man and a woman sorry."

And that's the whole problem Einstein. The institution is based on gender discrimination and is inherently bigoted. No need to be sorry here let's do something about it.

-"I just have problems with people crying fowl because everything doesn't go their way."

Then go find yourself a shack to live in whiner. Love it or leave it.

-"You know they're in business it's not in their interest to air the ad.

Glad you finally understand that. These "media" are not forums for free speech they're entities pursuing their own self interest by perpetuating and promoting bigotry. "Running a successful business thru bigotry." "Better living thru bigotry"!

-"It's not bigotry."

Perpetuating and promoting bigotry is bigotry.

"Why should I be sorry?"

Glad you're in the asking/learning mode because you need to learn this FAST. You should be sorry because people are discriminated against, disenfranchised and do not enjoy equal rights through bigotry.

 

i'd love to know where you get any evidence to believe its 'anti gay'...widely viewed in the gay community, maybe.

Oh please. We have now gone from ABC/NBC and ads broadcasted to what bush says? hardly the same. They are not putting on anti gay marriage ads by the catholic church, are they? You cant compare what the president says(news) to not allowing an ad to be broadcasted. Well you can, but it just makes you look foolish

err, ok.

Sorry, there is no bigoted act on part of the broadcast companies.

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. Its discrimination because you dont believe its right? Is marriage inherently bigoted because it discriminates against polygamists and incestuous relationships also?

bitter much?

Since when did any newspaper/broadcast company say that people were guaranteed to absolute free speech on THEIR MEDIUM? Never! It is not their place to advocate for or against gay marriage and the gay lifestyle.

except, no bigotry was shown.

what bigotry is displayed in their action?

Trying to equate them not wanting to advocate for or against their lifestyle IS not bigotry.

you should stop the ad homs, they only make you look childish.

 

NBC has shows like Will and Grace, and they have a rainbow peacock as their icon. They are not anti-gay.

 

The "rainbow peacock" has nothing to do with gay rights. It has been their logo since RCA (then owner of NBC) developed COLOR TV.

NBC is now owned by General Electric, a corporation with a LONG record of all kinds of sleazy behavior...

 

I know that, it was a joke. Actually, I think it was something I heard on will & Grace.

Anyways, corporate entities like these are only interested in what makes them money, and nothing else. They don't care about morals, religion, etc. They do what makes them money, and try not to do what will cause them to lose money. TV shows like Will and Grace give them ratings, while commercials like the one they chose not to air get them a bunch of angry letters.

 

You don't have to respect gay people to laugh at them.

 

- "I'd love to know where you get evidence it's antigay"

The ad promoted tolerance and inclusion. Rejecting these in a discriminatory and unequal society is abetting bigotry.

-"What Bush says is hardly the same as ads broadcast"

Fundamentally it's the same. The final common denominator is that networks broadcast whatever they believe is in their self interest, even to the point of bigotry.

-"They are not putting on antigay marriage ads"

They broadcast hours and hours of religious programming, some of it paid viewing, that rails against homosexuals and gay marriage.

-"Sorry there was no bigoted act by the broadcast companies."

Wrong obviously. They reject an ad for inclusion in a society where gays don't have equal rights. They're supporting the bigoted status quo.


-"It's discrimination because you believe it's not right?"

It's discrimination [as regards opposition to marriage of same sex couples] because people are denied equal rights by their gender. Two at a time. It's not exclusively a homosexual issue. There are circumstances where same sex couples want to marry for nonsexual reasons.


"Is marriage inherentlly bigoted because it discriminates against polygamists and incestuous relationships?"

Suppose I said that all marriage should be abolished "because if we let men and women get married then we're going to have to let practitioners of incest and polygamy take vows". It's a vacuous argument because they are unrelated cases. Gay marriage likewise has nothing to do with marriage in polygamy or incest. Or if it's not a vacuous argument then I guess you advise gettting rid of marriage altogether.

-"Bitter much?"

You're the one who said you had a problem.

"Since when did any newspaper say people were guaranteed free speech? Never."

We're agreed it's not free speech in these media. It's promotion of self interest through, in this instance, perpetuation of bigotry.

"Except no bigotry was shown. What bigotry was displayed?"

If you're living in a society where you're black and you can't go to school because you're black and a media entity rejects an advertiser who calls for inclusion of blacks that's supporting bigotry. Any idiot knows it. It's the same situation here.

"Stop the ad homs"

Call a bigot a bigot for all the world to know.

 

As i said before, deciding not to air it is not anti gay on their part. You'd have an easier time claiming the audience is anti gay, instead of the broadcast corporations. They will do what they think is best for money. If they believed those ads would gain them money, they'd happily air them. You seem to be unable to comprehend that.

No, its not. Sorry you cant make the distinction between news and tv advertisements.

Where is abc/nbc/cbs broadcasting hours and hours of religious programming? Must be when i dont watch tv.. *shrugs*

Sorry, not airing it is not bigotry. Again, you might want to pinpoint the audience as being anti gay. The broadcast companies are guilty of being greedy.

There is all types of discrimination in this country, mostly which the country chooses to accept. Age discrimination especially, when it comes to alcohol, voting rights and other things. Society and government has decided that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Dont be silly. They are not unrelated at all. Brother/sisters didnt choose to be brother/sisters, why should we stop them from being married? Likewise, why should we dictate how many people you can be married to?

Homosexuals dont want to be depicted in the same light as polygamists and practitioners of incest, but they follow the exact same logic.

Not with gay marriage, but with fool heartedly people claiming the broadcast companies are bigoted.

The bigotry is not on part of the broadcast companies.

Again, broadcast companies are looking out for their own self interest. The bigotry is on part of the consumers, not the providers.

I think Americans are sick and tired of being bombarded with homosexuality. Is anyone actually amazed that this happened after our election? After 11 states outlawed gay marriage?

I dont reject gay marriage, i reject your stupidity.