Today's Senseless Violence

Discussion in 'Hip News' started by ~Zen~, Apr 11, 2023.

  1. curiousgeorge

    curiousgeorge Senior Member

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    Too bad, but then kids and people as a whole go through all kinds of misery in this unfair and cruel world that we live in, but they still don't go around shooting innocent people at random.

    So, now I guess his defense will try and use that to get him off to some extent and for then leaving him to one day shoot another, eh?

    Meanwhile, it was the fault of an AR-15 style rifle that did it all, not him, so if Daddy hadn't bought him this kind of rifle, then he would have went on and for growing up to become a model citizen...............!
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Pretty lame piece of logic.
    More properly speaking, it was partially the fault of a society that worships AR-15 style rifles that had a major part in this tragedy.
     
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  3. scratcho

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    The guy that killed innocent animals? Why THAT DIRTY SON OF A BITCH!!! :mad: Him and the ones that kill innocent students and teachers need to be put away FOREVER!
     
  4. curiousgeorge

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    Yeah, you're right and most everyone should know that a semi-auto hunting rifle of the same .223 caliber or even for a .22 caliber would have never done the same damage to these victims. But the last time I checked, when you're dead, you're dead regardless of the caliber and style and for how mean the weapon looks.

    The point I'm trying to make is that most of the UN-educated consider an assault rifle for one that looks mean and for having no further knowledge of such. So for these people that wish to comment on the use of firearm types and for which of those should be banned, I suggest attending a class on the hows and whys of such weapons.
    By the way, Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.

    Meanwhile, god forbid that society will return to the AK style for the rifle of choice.

    And by the way, its a good thing that the individual that attempted to assassinate Trump didn't use a bolt action hunting rifle instead of an AR15 style, or Harris might have had someone else to worry about in Nov.
     
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  5. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    In Dayton Ohio in 2013, a gunman opened fire with an AR-15. He was shot and killed by police within 37 seconds of opening fire. In those 37 seconds, he'd fired 41 rounds into the crowd, murdering nine people and wounding 17 others; 41 rounds and 26 shot in 37 seconds.
    I've fired both AR-15's and M-16's. such facetious pedantry over "what's an assault rifle" is completely irrelevant (and more than a little obscene) if you're downrange of one.
    I don't care what you call them. Nobody in a modern society should be allowed to possess that level of lethality. NO ONE.

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  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Pictured to the right below are three .22 rounds. To the left a .223.

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    Assault rifles are highly regulated and select fire.
    The killer at Apalachee High school used an assault weapon as defined by law. It was not select fire.
    Apalachee High school is in Georgia.
    I agree.
     
  7. curiousgeorge

    curiousgeorge Senior Member

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    And you could very well be right, but you must first decide and describe what an assault rifle is, before you can ban the ownership of one, otherwise the best of lawyers will find away around permitting the manufacture and owning of such.

    As for the M16, it's already banned, as well as many others unless you might have a machine gun license, which isn't all that easy to get.... Yes, Machine Guns Are 'Legal' (But Here Comes All the Catches)

    So now we're down to hundreds of others, like a very mild looking Ruger 10-22 with a 50round after-market magazine and hard to tell how many are out there, with the rifle of choice for youngsters just starting out.
    Yes, I know, it's just a .22 cal. but they are lethal, never the less. I mean they kill huge hogs with them that drop dead immediately and for only using the short ammo.

    And then there are other semi-auto hunting rifles, using the AR-15 caliber (.223) and again, just a .22 cal. but with a lot more powder behind the projectile.
    Do you see what I'm saying here and how complicated it would be to write legislation into law?

    And one more time, banning just the ones that look mean, won't get it, in a court of law.
     
  8. Toker

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    I think it's time to get rid of schools all together. They're too dangerous for children.

    So let's take those jails and turn them into schools. Employ some of the convicts to teach the kids the ropes. They'll be safer with the armed guards and gangs protecting them from other children with AR 15s.
     
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  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    No problem. The term assault rifle, Sturmgewehr, was coined by the Germans during WWII to describe the StG 44.

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    Today the term is applied to any weapon having characteristics similar to the StG 44.
    To wit, an assault rifle has selective fire, a cartridge with intermediate power, a detachable box magazine, and an effective range of at least 330 yards.
    As such an FN FAL is not an assault rifle:
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    Neither is an M14, nor a Heckler & Koch G3, even though they look like assault rifles as they all use high power cartridges. They are main battle rifles.

    The Colt AR-15 is not an assault rifle as it has no selective fire option and any rifle with a fixed magazine is not an assault rifle.

    Local municipalities and the federal government have no problem defining what an assault weapon is.
    Here is the definition from the U.S. Assault Weapons Ban of 1994:
    Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and has two or more of the following:
    Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
    • Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
    • Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, hand grip, or suppressor
    • Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
    • A manufactured weight of 50 ounces (1.42kg) or more when the pistol is unloaded
    • A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm
    Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
    • Folding or telescoping stock
    • Pistol grip
    • A fixed magazine capacity over 5 rounds
    • Detachable magazine
    It then lists additional specific weapons such as the Beretta AR-70 (SC-70), INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22, Street Sweeper, etc.
     
  10. curiousgeorge

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    Very good description.
    So, if we should go with that in an attempt to ban weapons of mass destruction, it seems that it won't do a thing for curtailing the problem.
    Even if it should go much further and for removing the select fire clause for example, it won't help.
    Seems that the only thing that might work is for what I've said before with only BOLT ACTION rifles with fixed magazines of about 5 rounds and for having a ? long barrel being allowed. This means no semi-auto's at all.
    For handguns, double action revolvers only with a max. of 6 rounds. Again, no semi-auto's.

    Did I leave anything out for writing legislation that wouldn't have a chance in hell of passing?

    And what about all the others that are already out there for the making of a new and very lucrative black market.

    OK, so now let's hear from those who propose doing away with all the so called assault weapons of mass destruction and for how this should be accomplished!

    Oh, and just so you all know, I'm an independent in this matter, just as I am with politics.
     
  11. MeAgain

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    First, reenact the U.S. Assault Weapons Ban of 1994.
    Second, comprehensive free mental health services.
    Third, require a license to own, purchase, or transfer an assault weapon.
    Fourth, require the registration of all assault weapons by serial number.
    Fifth, require insurance to be carried by all assault weapon owners.
    Sixth, a gun buy back program offering cash for assault weapons or tax credits for any gun surrendered and destroyed.
    Seven, destroy all confiscated assault weapons involved in illegal activities.
    Eight, limit the amount and type of ammunition available to the public and require a national data base recording all ammunition sells.
    Nine, support gun violence research.
    Ten, rescind the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which prevents gun manufacturers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products.

    Of course a large portion of the U.S. population is criminally insane in regards to this issue so none of this will ever get enacted until we address the gun culture that values weapons of mass destruction over innocent first graders getting their heads blown off.
     
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    People make this argument in a way that suggests gun laws create gun violence. People always search for some reason as to why the most violent cities are thr most violent, and they always arrive on gun laws. Chicago also has extreme poverty and a gang culture that goes back at least a century.

    Also, if Chicago is this dangerous--a notion most locals laugh at as the violence is usually contained in the same small gang-infested neighborhoods, and not, in fact, city wide--imagine what the city would be like without any gun laws.
     
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  14. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    If "Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country" and still sees a high level of gun violence, that doesn't suggest gun laws don't work; only that local gun laws don't work.
    Make them Federal, so arms dealers from New York or Chicago can't simply drive down to Georgia or Tennessee and load up the trunks of their cars with as many semi-automatic weapons as they can fit.
     
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  16. Piney

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    People could also purchase illegal weapons imported from outside the US. If Fentamyl can be imported, why not guns?
    Some gun people are commited and entitled and will drive an underground arms market.

    In Chicago, the Mayor just cancelled a contract for Shot Spotter. This suggests a willful disregard for the community at large. If some locals laugh at the violence this suggests a level of disconnection from reality. Perhaps identifying with the gang culture. I'm armed, so I am OK? A person would have to travel overseas to find a place more afflicted with gun violence.

    Laws need to be enforced and if leaders seem reluctant the system is broken.
     
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  18. Piney

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    Could be one of several.......Tho the point being that Chicago is tops in gunplay, in the USA.
     
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