To be is to be perceived

Discussion in 'Existentialism' started by sky_pink, May 9, 2004.

  1. sky_pink

    sky_pink er... what's the time?

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    Aw, she's so sweet! (Of course, what you feel towards her is different, but don't you think it's strange how we adore babies, kittens, puppies, basically all kinds of baby mammals?)

    And how old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
     
  2. osiris

    osiris Senior Member

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    we adore innocence, because it is truly valuable, and is rarer and rarer in us, as we grow and accumulate knowledge. :)

    i am 25.

    much love :)
     
  3. sky_pink

    sky_pink er... what's the time?

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    I hadn't thought about that, but it's true.

    Much love! :) :) ;)
     
  4. Andy73

    Andy73 Member

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    I agree with this in so far as the senses can be trusted, and they cannot always.
     
  5. osiris

    osiris Senior Member

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    temperance with humility would seem to be the key.

    much love :)
     
  6. Iacchus

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    External reality is merely the aftermath of that which has gone on internally. In the sense that everything originates from within its center. Perhaps this is why we can only perceive of it in the subjective sense. So I would suggest that reality is ultimately derived from motive or, spirit.
     
  7. mati

    mati Member

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    All that we can know is perception. All ideas are based on impressions. What impression is the idea of a distinct and continued existence based on? Or for that matter, what impression is the idea of self based on? Subjectivity and Objectivity are illusions. Where does the one leave off and the other begin?
     
  8. Hari

    Hari Art thou Art

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    The thing about words is that they become like a fog that clouds direct truth, so the best way to see
    directly to the state of no doubt is to inquire; Who am i?
    It takes a lot of energy to infuse the question with enough power to clear the mind completly of assumptions.

    The first assumption is "I am", and from this the wholle world is created each micro second; but everything is built on the assumption of this Identity-self, therefore all is dream-like and completly false.

    Is this clear?
     
  9. mati

    mati Member

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    Subject and object are illusions not based on any perception. Where does one begin and the other leave off? What is the idea of self? When I hold my hand up, I see an array of coloured points. The chair in front of me is likewise a number of coloured points. How is the perception of one different from the other? We create the illusion of subject and object because it is easier to attribute a distinct and continued existence to perceptions that are resembling each other. We mistakenly believe one to be the other and to continue this lie we assign one the name of object, the other subject, with continued existence despite our perceptions otherwise.
     
  10. openmind

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    its been noted that witnesses have no acuracy what so ever
    if you stage an avent infront of 20 witnesses
    then interveiw all of the twenty witnesses imediatly no one of these witnesses will recal the incerdent corectly
    if you then put those witnesses in a room together for one hour
    then interveiw them again they will have talked to each other and fabricated a story farther from the truth
    and sadly all will honestlybelieve its the truth
    until you show them a video of the incident
    even then they will try and blame the camera angles and its acuracy
     
  11. Hari

    Hari Art thou Art

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    The wholle universe (or concept of it) can fit inside a mustard seed.
     
  12. Empathetic Hedonist

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    First Hari, no that wasn't clear. But I don't think mine will be either.

    Have you ever seen the movie K-Pax? Now I know that it was about an alien and all but there is a definate pearl of wisdom (I actually just remembered this right this second). He was asked ''well if you are from outerspace, why do you look like the rest of us?'' He said ''Why is a bubble round? It's because that is the most useful form for it.'' or something along those lines... damnit now I have to watch the movie again....

    Anyway, I think we made ourselves and our world. Did we do it for maximum comfort, obviously not. But we are the way we are for a reason. I truly hate the best of all possbile worlds but I do think we have legs to put pants on them.... just not so oversimplistic.... yeah

    There are things in this world that cannot be explained through logic. Like manifestation (not the Rainbow hippie manifestation). There was this yogi like person (why was Yogi bear named yogi? Was it after Yogi berra? I just always think of yogi and bubu when I think of those wonderful spiritual gurus)

    But I digress.

    He was being interviewed by this English guy and he couldn't think of a word, his interpreter was having and equally hard time. So he made one of what he was talking about. It was a twin acorn lookin thing, like a twin apple, but not. When the guy asked to keep it the Sri guy said wait, and manifested a gold locket and chain with a little emerald cut ruby at the top.

    The English guy went all over India looking for another one like it, and found one in a jewlers shop for sale for the indian equivilant of 500 dollars American.

    Anecdotal I know but still. In short I agree. I think we made the objective world, and we can unmake it. Do I know how? No. Do I want to learn, not really. Can it be done, yes.

    Read the Holographic Universe. Then read the books in the bibliography.
     
  13. seda-azul8

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    That would be JIMI HENDRIX..Not ''Jimmy'' Hendrix..do not disrespect the man..
     
  14. TelimTor

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  15. mati

    mati Member

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    When I put my hand in front of me, I perceive a bunch of coloured points that I call 'my hand' , and then those coloured points of the object that I call my 'computer monitor'. The quality of the perception, that of a bunch of coloured points, is no different between the two. The concepts of subjective and objective are illusions we create.
     
  16. Esty

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    nothing a human does, or thinks can be objective...every action is a result of the conscious or a reaction to something within that persons knowledge...

    a building is objective...you can see it, it's there...anything from our minds can only be subjective....once we open our minds, hear sounds, smell, taste, touch....etc, objectivity is tainted...

    i disagree with the master philosopher.....
     
  17. mati

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    "reality" is not what people agree to have perceived.
     

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