Tim Leary Festival in JULY '08

well i look at it like this,, he was askin for volunteers,whos to say askin for donations wasnt next?? a con is a con is a con..

he never even was man enough to give a explanation..

oh i aint mad,i just find it all pathetic,an i can see how someone like vactom coulda got upset..

an yes thats our cabin,,an yes we built it from scratch. an no ,the puters are in the big shack..

 

Alright dude look you have NO IDEA what it's like to plan a festival. Spending 3 or 4 hours a day, for weeks and weeks filling out form after form after form, making plans, setting up ideas for stages, set ups, concessions, site planning, finances, more forms, soooo many phone calls, looking up and filing information of advertisements on local television and radio stations, and after all that and MUCH MUCH MORE effort....the ONE thing, The ONE STUPID THING that stops all the efforts dead in their tracks...........A stupid law

All festivals with more than 1,000 participants must have LIABILITY INSURANCE of $1,000,000!!!!

There was no going around it. And what do I get for all my efforts......Being called a fuck up, a ****, and all these vulgar names!!

Yeah I lied. I didn't have the permits, i was in the process but didnt have them! You want to crucify me for that? Cuz that's what everybody makes it sound like. But tell me you have never lied?? Tell me that and I will give you my life.....

 

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Which I was.

Also, when you wrote that post saying no permit, no festie, etc, I saw it as you were trying to hype everyone up, then let them down. I didn't see it as you stopped trying. I thought you were just posting this to make people excited and then put them down.

 

No, not at all. I have been trying to get this into gear and I guess I just got ahead of myself :&

But again, my bad everybody......

 

why have more that 1000 attendees anyway. 500-900 is more than enough to have a great festie.

 

Once advertisements and word gets out there's no way we could keep it to less than 1,000. And when more than 1,000 shows up i'm not sure what exactly would happen? but if we have, just say, a large part of patterson park and 3500 participants who btw are tripping balls listening to acid rock we'd probly get shut down for not having the right permits and have lots of trouble on our hands.....

 

As the word "money" occured in this thread, many people apparently chose to disbelief the intentions of man of the hill.
If you disbelief any time you hear the word "money", how free can you be?
Money is a neccesarity to establish such events, and perhaps this great idea was not researched too well, according to law, city council, etc...
But he's treated like a crook; you treat him like a judged on a vague suspicion of yours, and your words seems pretty hard, because you're so sure about his intentions. Relax my friends. If you doubt his intentions, please at least criticize in a good manner, instead of judge the man before his guilt is proved...

 

Money, its a gas.

 

Organizing festivals is a nightmare - I've done it, and probly wouldnt again.

You cant do it alone, you cant start soon enough, you cant depend on getting enough of anything - patrons, volunteers, support, press, permission/permits. It takes more money than anyone wants to think about, and free shows even more so.

My only advice, find a financial backer OR do it as a benefit. Otherwise it will cost everyone way too much in time and effort to organize and attend. Even then, in most cases, its a nightmare to put together and a crapshoot to attend.


I wish you the best of luck, and if it does come together, keep me informed!

 

Yeah, i mean like I said before I did jump the gun before everything got rolling, but I just wanted to get word out ASAP. I hope that one day I will be able to do something like this, I mean you never know what the future holds.......

~And thank you all who had the kind words~

~PeAcE & LoVe~

 

We all want a world without money. That's why such happenings as proposed by the man on the hill are important to support, instead of tearing down by scorn & disbelief.

But you can't ignore that such a happening will involve some kinda economy. Within the current economic paradigm that will mean money, which must be collected by interested participants - to make a step further getting into a new paradigm in which we're able to abolish money.

Try to arrange a happening yourself, without involving this (obviously sad) issue of involving money. Well, it might be possible if it only involve yourself & your 25 friends, but 1000's of people?... nope, unfortunately...

If all humanity were hippies, we would simply share. But at the moment we must interact with our surroundings to establish such events - and THESE surroundings don't want to share - They want MONEY!

 

True-er words have never been spoken...

 

it simple.... provide tickets. free tickets if you must, before hand. those who have tickits may attend those who dont are SOL.

 

Hmmmm i never thought about that, but still I would want EVERYBODY to come and experience the love ya know?? I would never exclude a single soul....

 

well its your call but personally after all that work i would want to have a festie. even if you only charge $10, that will lower the amount of people that would even want to come. for free, people will just want to show up when ever, but for $10 you can expect everyone who comes to have a ticket. you wont sell over 1000 tickets guaranteed at $10 a piece.

first year, non corp, festies rarely get more than 500 guests. you wont have to exclude anyone, and you will be able to sell ticket at the door.

free tickets work too. you will probably need numbered tickets anyway to prove the amount of guests you have on the land. there is no way anyone is going to go in and count every guest. so the "no more than 1000" rule is pretty pointless. prove less than 1000 with tickets and let others in. it will be on privet property right?

 

I wouldn't charge anything for enter. That would be the same as putting up a fence.

Invite anybody to sale, and say "I'm making a big event here - you can put up all your stalls, but I need 20% of your sales for my efforts collecting people to this event".
Then you can negotiate back & forward with all the folks at the stalls, gypsies, & who else that'll show up...

At such way you prevent putting up a fence, 10x more people would arrive (since there would be no fence & it's free) - and because of the 10x more people you can make check/balances on your event, see..?

Cynical? Well, count 100 it's cynical. Count 1-2-3000 it's calculation balanced between polititcal/philosopical message / current system.

Don't think you can't overwin the current alienating system by using its own strategies, but turning it against ITSELF!

Love and understanding,
/wolf

 

Hence why we should ditch the monetary unit and go to barter

 

...grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.



I bet it would be pretty hard to find a council to give you a permit for a festival dedicated to a man profoundly known for LSD. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen, but it might take a name change

 

T'is about time someone finished that xD