thoughts on communism

Yeh, leaving everything to market forces inevitably creates vast inequalities.

 

Eh look at them in fornt of you? Social classess, ie wealth is concentrated at the top. It wouldn't be government control it would be workers control. Ie the workers will control their won work place.

 

For people who have not read Marx and Engels, or who are not Marxists, perhaps. It's a very little important work to us. There are many others that are much more important. We don't have a "main document", because Marxism is always evolving.

I like to compare Marxism with a mountain stream. It's in constant emotion, flexible, powerful but at the same time fluid, it can be peaceful, and it can be violent, and even if you take your hands in the water with your hands, the water will always fall back to the mountain stream... Why? Because it contains truth. You can't just "take it away" or "make it dissapear".

The mountain stream has existed before we were born, and will probably exist after we are dead. And just like the mountain stream, it will constantly develop, change and strive for "perfection", although there is no such thing IMO

A government is protecting the ruling class.

There will be no business.

The people. People like you and me. Maybe we would have a small communal police controlled by the people in the local area, in order to deal with crime investigation. And perhaps we would have a small municipal mediation board.

Partly true.

We will take from those who own means or production (factories, etc.) and make it public. We will take their billions and share it among people like you and me.

Not true.

We will still have personal property in a communist society. Your house will be your house as long as you say you, and it would be your right to have a house. You computer would still be yours.

No, false.


The state will not exist. You would own your own car. No one would take your car away from you.

Land could mean fertile soil used to feed the population. Land could mean the solid part of the earth's surface.

What the communist manifesto say is not important, and like I've said, Marx and Engels hadn't refined and developed their ideas to the fullest extent during those years. We communists do not quote the communist manifesto as truth. We are not religious.

Again, like I've said before in this post, you will own what you need. You will be able to take what you need. If you would need a new watch, a new telephone, or just some food or milk, you could go to the warehouse/storehouse/whatever and take it.

Almost there....

Under communism, it will be owned by the public. The state will not exist. The workers who work in the respective factories will have a lot of control over them, but in the end, it would be controlled by the public. If we would have a clothing factory in our commune, you could ask the people working in the factories to, for example, design some clothes for you. It will be a very flexible society. All the factories will be used to maximize human potential, and make people happy.

Things would be produced according to need (that include your needs).



And by the way, regarding destroying the constitution... Technically that's right, we dont want a government.

 

Ive always been very interested in communism, its more of a hands on sort of government for everyone and thats what i like about it.

about the private property, so one can own land? like say I want to have 20 acres of a wooded forest and i dont want anyone comming in and cutting down my trees, and I live right in the middle of them all. Do I own that or can the government come in and log my yard ?

 

UN said there is enough farmland world wide to feed 4 times the world population, so how can food really be a scarcity?

 

How it works is that your home is yours, the 20 acers is a commons that is governed by the people, being a commons right off the bat it means you can't stop anyone from walking onto the 20 acrers (neither can the goverment) as everyone has the righ to access to the 20 acers but logging could be done if that is what the community democratically decided, logging can't be done if the community does not want it to be logged.

 

Nope there is 4 times the farm land required to feed the world so the land is not scarce.

Nope there is more then enough unemployed to work the land.

 

Blacks are not a minority, hanging blacks would never even get on the agenda. Plus the point is for the masses to stop being blinded by race and religion, one brotherhood of workers.

 

Ivan Illich (was a Marxist Catholic priest) made it clear that you can only have true freedom of religion when you get rid of the institutionalization of religion, meaning the problem is not religion but churches, once people are free from the propaganda of the churches they will work together.

 

The problem is not religion, you can belive what you want to belive. What God wants is irrelevent as even if God did exist, in a democracy God's voice would only count as one in the 6 billion human voices thus God is a minority (if God exists)

 

People have to suffer for Capitalism to exist.

We are rebelling aginst the rich have 5 mansions while others live in boxes on the street. We are rebelling at the rich kicking homeless off their idle land, burning their crops because the owner of the land doesn't want to do anything with it yet refuses to share it.

 

Anarchy will be here soon, and you're gonna run around with your credit cards and your little bits of coloured paper trying to buy things, and people are gonna look at you funny, Midnight Moonlight.

 

When you make shirts for Nike, but can't even afford the buttons on those shirts, how can you expect an Indonesian to just "get the hell out of that country"? How? Swim?

Many of these people are held against their will in these capitalist sweatshops. Many are forced to work. They can't leave when they want to.

The same with many Brazilian workers. They have to buy food, clothing etc. from the mines they work in, but those things are more expensive than their salary, so they either have to pay, or die. And when they can't pay, they have to take up a loan in the mines, and when they have a loan, they can be ruled by the capitalists like property. They become slaves. If they try to live, they are tortured, or shot.

This is the face of capitalism in most of the planet. Why do you support this inhumane shit?

 

Every inhumane system that is supported is supported because the opposing systems are made to look worse. The right idea is coming and it's nothing any of us have seen. I think it's kind of funny that people are still in the capitalist VS communist mindset, when soon it shall switch to CappyCommie VS New Idea.
Besides, both capitalism and communism are funded and backed by the same people to control the masses. duh.

 

eh? who funds communism, i don't see any real socialist parties getting funded by the ruling class.

 

They also shoot anyone of them that yells stirke!!!, that tells his comrads to withhold labour to get decent wages.

 

Because they have the right to a decent standard of living?

 

Eh the military might not be on strike. Or parts of it might well remain loyal to the goernment.

 

As long as capitalism and class society exist, the communist movement will also exist. The communist movement is the antithesis of class society. It's a fact. We will always be their enemy, and they will always be our enemy.

The antagonism between the exploited class and the upper class is constant, and thus, conflict will always appear, and the communist movement will always remain, in so provided that class society will exist.

There's no such thing as CappyCommie, nor will there ever be.

 

What is this new idea? As communisms says we will always have the class struggle in motion as long as there are classes. Socialism is the only way to end the class struggle, by ending classess you end the struggle between them!