This whole thing about drug testing at work is insanity isn't it?

The way I look at it is if my pee is that important to someone they can have it. What am I going to do with it anyway? Flush it. Honestly it wouldn't bother me but I've peed in a lot of cups for drs so maybe I'm desensitized to it.

 

I don't mind at the doctor's... because it's... you know, voluntary

I guess different people just react differently to things like this.

That's part of something being personal I suppose.

 

Ok but do you have a problem with a dr doing the drug testing for the employer? Is it the point that you don't want to hand a cup of piss to your boss?

At my Dr urine tests aren't voluntary. The greet you, take a urine sample then take you to a room. You learn really quick not to pee before an appointment or you have to sit in the waiting room until you have to go. The joys of infertility.

 

Btw I love that we had a discussion without someone getting pissed and being an asshole. It seems like that doesn't happen very often around here.

 

haha, to be honest that's why I'm posting less on Facebook and more on this site. People seem friendlier here

But erm, no it has nothing to do with who does the tests, it's to do with voluntary and involuntary.

And really like... I post these things partly for the debate, but also because sometimes it's just nice to express yourself on something that you feel matters in some way. Often back on FB people would get fed up with me because I would post a status a bit like my original post in this thread, get into a debate like this one, and then at aroundabout this point say "Ah well, people can have different opinions, I'm happy to leave this as it is!" and walk away from it!

That seems to really annoy people for some reason xD

All I'm saying is "Let's agree to disagree!"

 

I think it's quite idiotic as well. I don't take kindly to companies that oblige me to take a drug test. Happily I'm from the netherlands and they don't try such nonsense here neither (for most jobs).

 

it's a reason i don't have a "regular" job at the moment, i pissed in bottles for 20+ years for a job that was almost worth it. there isn't a job out there for me that is worth it now.
drug test for a minimum wage service job like stocking shelves at Casa Depot?

FUCK THAT. DONE.

 

It's the reason I didn't become a professional athlete (...ok, ok, just kidding there)

 

everyone in High Positions smokes crack anyway.. Leaves the system in 2-3days, you can go on a crack binge for the weekend and piss clean every Wednesday. The courts would rather you smoke crack too. Its why they put you on the probation leash and lock you up for cannabis.. I know a crackhead that smokes crack in the stairway his PO's office soon after his piss test visit..

 

That's nice of the courts but I never smoke crack. :sifone:

 

after i left my old career i heard at least 4 people talk about how in the old days management tipped off certain people ahead of a random wizz quiz so they had time to clean up their act.

bullshit feel-good nanny state laws.

 

I'm so glad some people agree with me on this!

And Voyage your posts are wicked - I totally understand where you're coming from!

As for the crack thing... it's so sad that government seems to like the drugs that make you "buzzed" more, and dislike the ones that make you mellow or trip.

It reminds me of Doug Stanhope again when he said that all they care about is production, and the drugs that keep you working.

I'll post this vid as well in case anyone would like to see it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR4aQoezl-U"]Doug Stanhope - You're Taking the Wrong Drugs - YouTube

(sorry, posted the wrong vid a moment ago)

 

here the welfare social system caters to the heroin addicts and the crackhead, oh and the alcoholics.. if you use cannabis your ass is out.

 

Years ago,I had a small delivery service and there was no such thing as drug testing.Being I was on something most of the time, I think I would have only hired someone who,s test came back positive :willy_nilly:
I guess certain professionals gotta have some kind of illegal drug test(not marijuana ) . A truck driving job? - Maybe-
positions in health care?> maybe doctors and nurses?
For the most part,,,yeah its ridiculous.->> Not too many years back, I knew a woman who had to leave a hair follicle test to work at Raymore & Flanagan ..a friggin furniture store! What would be the purpose ?
Drug testing is a point of contention for privacy reasons..for sure!
But because there are few laws protecting our privacy in the workplace, millions of American workers are tested yearly - even though they aren't suspected of drug use.
Employers have the right to expect workers not to be high or drunk on the job. But they shouldn't have the right to require employees to prove their innocence by taking a drug test.

That's not how America should work.
But> They like to tell us, drug users are probably more likely to have an accident at work & that poses a huge liability problem for the company. Accidents at work can hurt other employees and customers, which is bad for business,* but these incidents are not the norm>>Drug abuse in the workplace affects a relatively small percentage of workers.
Claims of billions of dollars lost in employee productivity are based on guesswork, not real evidence.
Also, there is a Drug-free Workplace Act ,,which says that employers who take federal grant money and tax credits must have a drug-free work environment. So if these business need federal grant money to start up and want tax credits- they wont get it without drug testing- - Once again..money is the big issue....

Besides the legal reasons, the business reasons employers tell us they want a drug-free work environment are >> less productive workers, health care costs that are higher, and people that abuse hard drugs are more likely to file a claim for worker’s comp. ,more likely to miss shifts and entire days of work.
Again maybe true..but such a small % and at what cost to our privacy

Drug testing is designed to detect and punish conduct that is usually engaged in off-duty and off the employer's premises - that is, in private. Employers who conduct random drug tests on workers who are not suspected of using drugs are policing private behavior that has no impact on job performance and that,s just wrong* * *

The problem as I see it ,is the need to differentiate between someone who is smoking a joint and having a beer after work- to someone that is abusing drugs and may be getting wasted on the job. They don't distinguish between occasional and habitual use.
The ACLU should be all over this,,, its been going on for years.

 

Hoppi,we DO have random drug tests here in the Goodole UK.
I've been asked-NOT ordered-to provide a sample 3 times in 4 years.
No biggy. I don't say I'm joyous about it,but as I operate large heavy machinery in tight spaces,invariably with people around and often in spaces that are bloody difficult even to access safely,let alone operate in. It's reassuring to know the people around me on site are paying attention to the job and not daydreaming off the last nuances of a decent stash.
I suppose that won't seem like a 'hippy' thing to say-but I say it because I really do NOT want any of my workmates being hurt/crippled due to inattention.
If pissing in a bottle once every so often can ensure that-ok.....provided the office staff and management do the same. After all,we're all 'on the same team'. [office-speak for 'YOU go get wet/cold/dirty/tired-I'll sit here in my comfy swivel chair and whinge because my coffee's too hot']

 

Make the goddamn CEO's piss in a cup if we all have to.

 

and Judges too..

 

when did it become okay for someone to ask for your pee? indignifying and violating.

 

In my defense I never disagreed with you. I was just playing devils advocate and explaining the other side of things. I don't care what people do on their own time as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. I'd much rather work with someone that smokes pot occasionally than someone that does crack. Hell, my father in law is an old hippie that is high most of the time. I don't care. I just think its funny that you are so over protective of your pee.

 

It's just inappropriate.

I'm British goddamnit! xD


EDIT -- Seriously though it's not just the fact it's pee it's the fact it's a personal thing and it's not a voluntary test. As ThePoetSappho said, it's violating.