This is what Rudenoodle thinks Hippy Nature is. Anyone care to discuss it with him?

My bad I thought you were trying to make some kind of point about war, I now see that your not going to take a stance.

Can you sight where the millions of dead you are referring to come from?

 

I never said I supported the President or that the war in Iraq is flawlessly being planned out.

What "faction" do you believe I grouped you into?

Hippies?

Uninformed morons?

A trend hopper?

Other?

 

This statement seems simple enough, it is about some people’s ideas for solving problems just making things worse instead of better and then still thinking that somehow those same ideas will work.

I believe someone said that that is the definition of insane; to keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

 

Extremist pacifists who would rather die themselves than defend themselves or others. I'm not one of those. I understand that there are shades of gray in this world, but I also believe that war is a tool that should only be used as a last resort. I'm not ashamed of that.
On a personal level, I don't believe in kicking people's asses for respect, defending my mother against "yo mama" jokes, or beating people up because I disagree with them.
I consider myself a hippie because I believe in compassion, tolerance and non-violence (as well as other things commonly stereotypes as "hippie"). I do realize that they don't always work, and that we have to actually THINK when we make decisions, not follow a set of values and morals dictated by some guy who smoked up in the back of his van and created a new subculture (no offense to the smokers here- light one up for me! )
There are others like me- let's call them "reasonable hippies" for lack of a more PC term (never been a fan of politically correctness myself- if you misunderstand something I say, talk to me about it and I will clarify... don't bitch cuz I didn't say it "right").
I am only one individual, as we all are encouraged to be in this group. I do not expect anyone to agree with me on all counts. I'm only one example- not the model of "hippie." I don't think there is one- hence the reason I never posted in the thread about "hippie nature." If you want to give a list of characteristics you usually find in us, I guess I can do that, but I don't think I fit most of them...
I suppose you've hit on the evil that comes with adopting a label.
Who's more to blame- us for keeping it alive or you for judging us based on what those "t-shirt peddlers" have shown you?

 

So are you or aren't you a hippie?

What part of the Iraq war do you have a problem with?

You won't take a stance on either side because in my opinion you are under informed on critical events in the history of the U.S government and middle east ideology.

I wonder if you own a "no blood for oil" sign?

 

Did you read my previous post? In it, I say I consider myself a hippie.
I used to own a sign like that in high school... I've taken a few government classes since then and grown a little. I used to see things in black and white. That's what children do. Then, they mature.
I don't know what makes you think I haven't "taken a stance." What would you consider taking a stance? Agreeing with you or the extreme old-school hippies?
What's your problem with me having mixed feelings about the war?
Have you seen the documentaries detailing what life is like over there right now? Are these people just "uninformed?" Because shit's awful over there right now. They don't have a sweet deal because we swooped in and saved them from the evil dictator. A lot of the shit that goes down over there happens because they are sick of our occupation (though I know that a lot of it is religious extremists- the people we've worked so hard to demonize in the eyes of the American public). I don't know if they're ready to stand on their own yet, but I'm wondering what signs our government is looking for to see that they are.
What do you propose? Kill all the extremists? I love how everyone's got this big plan all their own. Like this happens every day and the answer is easy. It is not. I know that. That's why I don't run around preaching what they ought to do. Is that what you mean by "taking a stance?"

 

So you are for the war in Iraq against it or would rather not say?

 

Hi Gal, I just wanted to agree with you on this.

I guess if I was asked to define what a hippy is, I'd first say an individual.

In fact, that is why I started the "Hippy Nature thread". I had read the "What is a Hippy treads" and thought that they were too confining, How can you define what a Hippy is when every one is different? My thought is I know one when I see one.

But still people want to be a Hippy and want some direction. So I started the Hippy Nature thread, not to say what a Hippy is but as kind of a road sign to say; they went that'a way, to those who might like to follow.

So feel free to add something,
OWB

 

Gotcha. I understand. It's a starting point. It's an alternate way of thinking that many aren't used to. I started out a hemp-wearing, tie-dye making, barefoot and braids hippie chick... Then, I realized it was just another uniform and I had to make some decisions on my own.
I still run around barefoot whenever I can, tho.

 

What part of "mixed feelings" are you missing? I can't say either way. I was impressed by the way they handled their capture of Saddam (in that I was glad when they turned him over to be tried by his own people rather than losing their shit and firing off in his head right there). It seemed kind of out of character after they bombed the hell out of everything else looking for his sons...
I was glad when they started setting up a government where people were allowed to have opinions and trials and vote. If nothing else, it's far better than what they had.
BUT it has its issues.
I used to be steadfastly against it. At this point, I still don't like it, but I'm not going to deny it has done some good. SOME good. Doesn't excuse the lies that put us there or the innocent blood spilled. I just can't say at this point.
"We'll see," said the farmer...

 

28 Apr 1937 Saddam Hussein born, Tikrit, Iraq.

1956 Joins Baath Socialist Party.

1959 Saddam Hussein attempts to assassinate the Prime Minister of Iraq.

25 Feb 1960 Saddam Hussein sentenced to death for attempting to assassinate the Prime Minister.

16 Jul 1979 Saddam Hussein elected President of Iraq.

You do realize he had an ENTIRE army at his disposable right?

He was only the person ordering the genocides, it was various generals and other underlings just as inhumane as he that carried them out.

We can't just "remove" a dictator and leave there country in total anarchy and probable civil war for years.

Besides if we did who do you think would eventually rise to the top to lead the war torn people? ANOTHER GENOCIDAL DICTATOR!

Despite what "Desert Storm" may have led most this generation to believe, war can never be a polite and sanitized event.

War never changes it just gets marketed in more "civilized" means.

 

Happy Holidays brother rudenoodle , i sure hope you and yours has a gret new year !!!!!
Ya'll take care !

 

Will you get off my ass? If I'm going to take a history lesson and change my mind, it's going to be of my own accord, not on your time, thanks. I did not come in here for you to try and make me support the war. The reasoning you have for the way you feel is YOURS. I have my own reasons for feeling the way I do. Recognize that and stop trying to force it on me.
I stated my opinions and did my best to try and show you that we're not all alike, but that's not good enough. No, you've got to try and change me to be like you.
Get off your damn high horse and argue with someone else over this. You asked me what I felt and I told you. Find a way to cope. I didn't try and force you to agree with me.

 

Well, if that's the way you feel about it...

 

:tongue: miss post! My bad

 

I was reading this thread, out of simple boredom, since the basketball game that I'm watching has way too many commercials in between timeouts...

And I simply must say... Rudenoodle, I admire you for actually responding logically and patiently to the pointless arguments of the people in this thread. It takes a whole lot of self-control to not just call them "dumb hippies" and flame the shit out of them.

...and I am extremely amazed by the ignorance demonstrated here by people who have been in this world for way longer than I have been, and therefore should show a tad more common sense and understanding for the way this rather ugly and unjust world works.

 

What do you expect me to say? I come in here to try and get you to not see us all the same way because we don't all believe one thing and you turn it around to be a discussion about why I should support the Iraq war. What's your point? It's not on topic and it's a personal choice.
Bottom line, I don't like it because I prefer people not get killed by my government. I understand it is warranted to a point, but it doesn't sit well with me. That's my opinion and for now, I'm sticking to it. I could change my mind, but it won't be because some hippie-stomper says so.

 

Brother rudenoodle , you ARE posting on a HIPPY forum.....we react and see things differently than you do.
So , maybe you would get a better arguement from the Philosophy and religion forum , or maybe Random thoughts.
you came here to our forum and now you act like you dont get WHY we dont see things like you do...are you a HIPPY?

We have heard you and your viewpoint , you might as well see that we arent like you by now.

If you think we are wrong , so be it, but this is how we are , and have been for a lot longer than your short years here on earth.

peace to you

 

It's not the color of my skin is it?

Idea's that are different than yours are nothing to be afraid of.

And I haven't posted in "your" thread (What is hippie nature? ect) since I was told my opinions were different than yours.

The only reason I continue to bump this thread is because some nut put my screen name in the title of it, in a way I feel a bit more obligated to respond to the posts! :willy_nilly::auto::boxing_smiley::beatdeadhorse5:

 

:cheers2:

"Amen"