This site needs diversity...it appears tiedye0420 grows for quantity first and quality 2nd. GuySmiley grows for quality first quantity 2nd. There is no dought you 2 will have different opinions on lighting & soil etc.. I wached the first stone thrown, and tiedye0420 threw it (full spectrum lighting. message #9 tiedye0420 said "if ya want a little smoke from a rat ass hobby grow- go inside sun." Knowing damn well GS uses this product)...Its ashame that there is soooo much pride here that not one of you cant stand up and say enough is enough..lets keep going and hey SORRY! GS if your truely beleive in helping others with there grows then u will stick around, theres alot of people here that charish your threads & learn from them. And tiedye420 .. if your truely into helping people you would realize the benifit behind diversity...dont let GS pack up and leave over pride. I joined your little grow forum when GS started his NL5 thread....I was impressed how you guys helped the small guy without slamming on them..You guys claimed u was way better than overgrown! Dont go to shit now. Just my fffffffing 2 cents.