This Election will be decided on Turnout Vote!

All I have to say, think about how much taxes will rise to pay for all the things kerry wants to do... I guess though it's best that he wins, as congrees still has a republican majority, that way not much will actually happen.... Hopefully the oppoising parties will cancel each other out...

 

Bush should raise taxes, but seems content to let the deficit run wild...he lives in denial.

 

The difference may very well be between endless war and peace, long term economic failure and prosperity, environmental degradation and environmental protection. It's definitely worth taking the hour or so and waiting line for a while to push a button that says John Kerry.

 

When people keep talking about the debt, remember, the United States of America has always worked on a debt except for those few years under Clinton when there was surplus, it isn't going to destroy us like people keep saying. As for Bush and Kerry on it, Kerry can't lower it without raising taxes, simple fact, raising taxes on the rich wouldn't even fully cover the debt, aside from all his other programs he proposes. Bush is right, if the economy keeps growing at its current rate, he can cut it in 1/2, but 1/2 is still a pretty big debt and only if the economy keeps growing at at least 3-4% for the next 4 years.

 

Bush's new initiatives are also unfunded. You are right in pointing out that a balanced Pennsylvania Ave. may help keep spending in check.

 

And Bush has shown no ability to demonstrate how he will pay for his pet programs either. What is interesting is the number of people who rail against high taxes, but who would throw a fit if any of their programs were cut. Bush has no way of cutting the debt with an open-ended tab for Iraq hanging in the balance. Kerry has said, in the debates at least, that if the money is not there for all of his programs, he will scale back his plans.

It is also important to remember that it is not the president who appropriates funds for programs--it's the Congress. The president supports or cajoles, but it is the Congress who holds the purse strings.

 

Yes TS, but the Executive proposes the budgetary outlays in the first place. Congress may indeed make alterations to those proposals, but ultimately the President can veto a budget if it doesnt match his agenda and that leaves Congress with the task of attempting to overturn the veto. So whilst eventual expenditures are made by Congress they are made in accordance with a budgetary framework handed to them by the White House.

If that Budget calls for increased expenditures in military spending, for example, then ultimately the money must be found or borrowed (driving the debt even further into the red) or cut from other discretionary programs in order to cover the increase.

Bush's raid on the social security system has already in 4 short years made any liklihood of expected retirement returns (duly paid for in trust to the government's management) non-existant for the baby boomer generation. If this continues as projected, then the upcoming generation's and even their children's futures will be mortgaged to the hilt and you can bet all the flag wavers now will be wailing when they realise how their opportunity for economic security was sold out by those repubs for whom they enthusiastically waved their flags and campaign signs.

The fallout for this admin's fiscal criminality may be delayed but it will hit eventually if taxes are not raised again to stem the tide and when it does there will be an even greater increase in disenfranchisement and poverty sweeping the nation than the massive hike we have have seen in just the past year alone.

 

America has always survived on debt? What? In the 1950s, we used to loan other countries money! America has never seen debt like this before. Yes there were large deficits in Reagan's time, but if the USA had borrowed like this throughout its history our government wouldn't exist. Do you know who is financing most of this debt? Foreign banks. And if for some reason these banks decide to stop lending, the government and all of its services will grind to a halt, leaving whoever is President with two choices, raise taxes dramaticaly or cut services dramatically, so there goes medicare and highway building and the defense budget - all that federal spending which drives the economy.

It's ironic that Bush, who's supposed to be so independently American has been running his government on foreign money. The Republican majority in Congress will probably implode when the dodo hits the fan. I'm not spewing "liberal" clap-trap, ask any economist.

 

Yep. Preachin' to the choir.

I should have emphasized how important it might be to hold a majority in Congress (Dems have a chance at the Senate) to help pass legislation.

 

Well, lube up and bend over, cuz tomorrow is the big day.

 

May the two Johns flush Bush away for good!

 

we should be in the Texans for Change..I can't stand Bush, and he will be back in Crawford tomorrow..waiting for the results..I think we should move out of Texas :/

 

i cant wait tell tomorrow evening... im so excited i feel like puking

 

Hahahaha! It's just an election! Hell, I don't even get that excited for Christmas or my birthday or anything.

Heh, you're like a kid on Christmas Eve.

 

It's only the most important election ever..I'm all nervous and excited about it too!

 

This election will make or break the NeoCons, especially their insane foreign policy. Also, it will prove whether or not you can lie to the American people for four years & get away with it.

 

More a case of whether you can expand vote rigging, voter intimidation, and the establishment of bogus voter purge lists to deny US citizens the right to vote at all.

If I were a betting man my money would be on a lengthy and divisive battle yet ahead over the legitimacy of this and all future elections as the sheep allow themselves to be increasingly manipulated and polarised by the elites until no hope of national unity will ever be possible.

The cycle of history is being visited upon the aspirants of US empire and sooner or later we too will crumble under our own blind arrogance like all empires before us.

 

This is the system we've got: all we can do is try to elect people who are closest to our views and who seem to genuinely value democracy instead of just using "freedom" as a buzz word and lame excuse for invading foreign countries. We have to vote making our best call on who is more likely to protect our basic rights and rule at least somewhat responsibly. Kerry dosn't have to listen to ultra right evangelicals or neocons when he makes decisions and that's more than enough for him to get my vote.

 

Ok, this is how they are different, but what about their similarities?

BOTH support Israel

BOTH support the Patriot Act

BOTH support Big Business

With Kerry's ties to the big business, do you really think that he will protect the environment?

 

Kerry has an excellent environmental record. Just look at the Sierra Club website. They suppoert him without reservation. Kerry's much greener than Bush.

As for Israel, while I don't support the settlement movement, I do support Israel's right to exist & prosper, so I want the Presedent to support Israel. I do wish we would condition that support, however.