Think I might be done.

First of all, his casual remark about dumb girls and ideas they'll never understand is probably born from his psychedelic drug use and the things he thinks he has realized while high on them. Once you think you are God it's pretty easy to come back among the people and look down your nose at them.
In that case, you'd have no option other than to join me in supporting his decision to quit tripping, although until his affront on "dumb girls" is amended, as such a die hard chivalrist you will have to extend this same level of defense towards males as well.

Secondly, "fuck bimbos" is just as equal of a phrase as something like "fuck bitches", "fuck hos" "fuck broads" etc.
I'm not saying it's right, but at the current time it's widespread cultural saying, not necessarily his own personal ill will against women in general.

It COULD BE his own personal ill will against women, but considering his age, gender, and posting habits, I'd attribute it to nothing more than an unconscious regurgitation of culture.

Like I said, it doesn't make it right, but it also means it's irresponsible to use it as ammunition against him for an accusation of misogyny.

Now, is casually remarking about sex in the standard acceptable way among people his age and gender while attempting to make a lighthearted joke really the same as Peterpopper and his ilk - fingering unconscious women, openly mocking their shame and humiliation, and then showing not a shred of remorse?

Maybe to you, but I like to give people a bit more credit than that.

You realize age is a state of mind?
Also, even if I can and should be categorically placed with all of the other 20-something year olds here, no, I still don't mean us kids because that would imply that I myself have something to learn from the implications of his decision to quit psychedelics, which isn't the case as it's a lesson I've already learned.

I'm starting to think your deck has 52 age cards, PB.

 

I quit too. In 1992. I took a 1/3 hit in 95. Then in 2008 I began dabbling again. I now throw in a bit of lucy or fungi fairly often, though never enough to be my primary buzz. K on the other hand has become quite the late night go to.

Anyway, take a break, call it quitting, do whatever you think you should do.

 

Dang neodude, did I push a button or what

I understand fully what you are saying regarding the remarks and cultural influence. That being said those terms you mentioned are very derogatory to women, regardless of the cultural setting, as they all came about as derogatory remarks and not as nice little slang colloquialisms such as "babes" "chicks" "honeys" for example. It may be a product of cultural influences, but that still does not alter the derogatory implications nor excuse the use of such terms. Any person with any amount of education and intelligence would realize that and therefore I stand by my opinion that his remarks DO provide insight into his opinion of women in general.

If it is as you say just an "unconscious regurgitation of culture" then maybe he is more like peter than you think.

As far as age is concerned, it is a lot more than a state of mind, but perhaps your not mature enough yet to understand that
and I have 54 cards, you forgot the two jokers in the deck, you and I.

As far as Sam is concerned, if you read his posts, you will realize that he is very rarely serious about what he says and often says conflicting things. I find a lot of his remarks funny as hell, but I stopped taking him seriously a while ago.

 

Damn I was just kidding guys. Tried to make a simple assosiation humerous, and you guys did make the association so I lold

 

I actually completely agree with Sam and find myself in the same place in life as him. The comment about wanting to walk into a coffee shop and just talk with someone about mundane stuff, the kind that 99% of the world talks about, is what me and my best (trip) friend have been battering our heads against for a long time.

The situation can be summed up by a question:

In gaining the deeply personal humanity given by the graces of psychedelics, have we lost the deeply shared humanity present in every day interactions?

LSD makes some people say they feel like an alien after, not human. People who do a lot of drugs are almost always socially remote. There is a connection here. As intellect, insight, and abstraction reach critical levels, they can counteract the natural genetic ability to effortlessly interact with other minds. When you ferment your mind too much, it becomes too different from most other minds.

I'm not too worried, because i was different from most other minds from birth, but I am more aware of this whole situation now. Now I strive for balance; I am working on the coffee shop angle, and easing off the ++++ angle, for long have i lain by the pools of eternity, and too long has the world passed by me, unnoticed, uncared for, against the titanic presence of that other . . .

but the other is only a higher dimensional reflection of this, the coffee shop, the cute girl who looks at you, the electricity you feel in your cells, the ancient pulls of creation. i want to fall into them. i want to be the vessel of the universe that we are all born to be. the personal autonomy given by experiences like psychedelics is something to be carefully, carefully acquired, lest you become tired of the game. This is a most dire situation, as this is the only game

 

As I said in another thread, this is one of the most common pitfalls people fall into with psychedelic use. Rather than retype it I'll be lazy and just quote myself;

That is the main reason I got away from psychedelics when I was younger, I felt too alien and needed to just get back into normal human interactions again without trying to analyze it all. Now that I have grown and matured (yeah right) I find that my returning too psychedelics is providing a whole new outlook quite different than before.

 

Sam I fully support your decision........to switch to crack.

 

One other thing that can be a frustration to some and become an obsession for others is that annoying feeling that the "ANSWER" is ...just...out...of....reach....maybe...one...more....trip....and...I.....can.......grasp it.
But when you try to grasp it, often it dissipates into mist and you are left still wanting and searching.
Psychedelics ain't God or enlightenment in a pill, just a different way of processing information mostly.

 

its always good to never over do it but breaks are needed.
I haven't tripped since last October, and am currently afraid I won't find anything this summer ! My personal feeling is that longer the break (period of time inbetween trips) , the more you have to reflect on and more concepts to explore indepth

 

Of course you should give up if you want! It just doesn't matter. I however have no choice but to keep it up. Somehow prepared before I was aware--- to do it for the x amount Psilocybin. Read it and weep. I am a mushroom machine. Me and the dream team are going to slam dunk the world. LOL

 

The interaction between neodude and PB is the sort of exchange that often, at least on the internet, deteriorates into a lower place and harsh words. Literally (that is, these are not idle words), I'm glad it didn't.

With one trip a few years into it, I took a 35 year break. At one point in those years I was at one of Kubler-Ross' "Transitions Workshops" where about 1/3 of us were terminally ill, about 1/3 of us grieving, and 1/3 of us were people like ministers, doctors, nurses, and so on. I thought I was in the 3rd group, but I was really in the 2nd one, people grieving. The things I was grieving were having been in a war and the gifts I had been given through acid - the wonder, the numinous, the beauty, the now, the truth. Different kinds of grief, but both real.

Now I understand that since then, even when it didn't seem so, there has always been that expanded consciouness in my life.

Loving you, Sam.

 

Neodude and I often exchange such words, but it is always as friends that see things differently, at least that is how I always approach it. I have a good deal of respect for neodude and more often than not we are on the same page. I hope he feels that way as well.
I asked if he wanted to play cards, but he hasn't responded yet.

 

I enjoyed reading this.

 

Working in retail, I experience about all the mundane interaction and small talk with dumb and "regular" people I can handle. I don't see myself being ready for any kind of break for a looooong time, although I know it will come once I've checked a few more subs off the to-do list. Possibly because just this past April I came off a 5ish year dry spell, before which time I'd only ever done 2c-i, 2c-e, 2c-t-7 and 21 and salvia once. I suppose I'm going through an "experimental" stage, if you will. I have lots more work to do before it's breaktime, and since I keep trips to a max of 3 times a month (prob would do more but I just don't have the time with work), that break probably won't happen until well into the winter at the earliest... we'll see...

 

+1. Can't rep.

That retail part is so true. After being expected to know the store and everything within a 20 mile radius perfectly , offer counseling advice, and pretending to care that the customer is buying tablecloth and another zhu zhu pet because the dog ate the last one and shit out the toys head on the dinner table I'm usually to spent to pursue anymore mundane conversation.

Coffee shop people seem to have some sort of smug intellectual elitism about them that's off putting. Perhaps that's just perception and I rarely go but the few times I've been to coffee shops that seems to be the case. There are plenty of stereotypes about trippers and I'm rather crude sometimes and I'm sure some would say that's off putting, so I don't feel guilty about saying this.

 

I've really enjoyed reading this topic. It's made me feel not so alone in how i feel. You all have described precisely how I've felt, especially coming off 4-aco-dmt.

PB_Smith - your words helped me a lot, and made me feel much better. I've saved that post for reading when i feel off. Thanks.

Mr. Write - Thanks for letting me know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Sam - Best of luck with your break. I, too, felt like i would find myself after i finally got a hold of some of these notorious RC's, but your right, they have only left me with more questions, and messed up answers I had already found.

Love you guys.

 

As goethem saspek. Wiv shar co llets drum n vchannge.

We shall never come down int he end. I promise. May be neath me but I can keepsake.

 

Social interaction has definitely gotten more and more difficult over the years, for me. Interpersonal relations have been very strained as far back as I can remember, but even more so since the so-called "doors" have been opened. I've never looked back though, and I would be hard-pressed to ever find myself regretting any of my drug use; especially psychedelics.

If it's worth it to you to feel/see/think things that NOBODY else in the world will ever feel/see/think, then continue using psychedelics. If it's not worth it, then stop. It's pretty simple, imo.

 

I think I might be taking a break from hallucinogens for the remainder of the summer, might try to get one more trip in, its between : pharmahuasca, or possibly dpt or 2cb.
Definitely still going to be doing MDMA if possible but ...

Bring on the monkey dust! Does anyone know if 100 mgs is worth ordering for a few trials? Or would going straight 500 mgs be better. Take redosing into consideration...

 

Oh my god! ...I hate women

I had no idea. I always kinda felt like I practally worshiped the bitches. Anyway, now that my true feelings have been confirmed... it's rapin' time! yeeeeah