The worst band ever

I found the grunge bands, pretentious, and self righteous. They were always trying, to prove how, pure their motives were in making music. In the end it was just an act, all artists want to sell records and make money. MTV got bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam and simply kicked all hair metal off. There was no competition. MTV forced the music on us. By mid 1993 MTV only played grunge and rap and there was no real voice of people who listened to music so naturally the rest of the world got on board and listened to what they were told was current. Now today, MTV is not even a real music channel. ANY band from the hair metal band days could play ANY song ever produced by a grunge band. However, it'd be rare for a grunge band to have the musical skills to play songs by the "hair" bands. To be in a "hair" band, you had to be very skilled. Most of them knew jazz, blues, country... and quite a few had been classically trained. Yes, the hair was a marketing issue. Underneath the hair was a very good musician. They teach grunge songs to beginners in music school... They teach hair metal songs to the advanced class.
And that ... is the basic facts. Hair Metal never tried to fool you. It was over the top and a parity of itself, but everything was right out on the table. The worst kind of a follower is one who won't admit that they are one! Grunge is dead because all of your heroes either killed themselves or are in a psych ward.

I don't remember the exact quote, but I remember Vince Neil saying something like the following: Most of our lives did suck at first, but music was a place to escape to and dream. Not complain!

If there is one analogy that goes worth grunge music, I would have to say it would be whiner music. My mommy doesn't love me enough boo hoo, someone give me some black fingernails and cry with with me. I'd like to see one grunge guitarist play the solo to Freight train by Nitro. That's the benchmark!!! They'd piss in their pants and run to gloria steinem and cry in her lap!!! To hell with all the grunge and emo bullshit. You can say what you want about hair metal, but some of the best guitarist came from this genre of music. Showing the sleepy sad face does not make and musician better...

Let's imagine, if there were to be a contest of who could sing better, who could play better original guitar riffs, who could smash the drums better, the grunge guys would not even be able to compete with the guitarists of hair metal bands... they were musicians and singers, not just angry people trying to sing and play. The "Pop-Metal" bands of the 80's were a hell of a lot of fun. I can't think of a single "Grunge" or Alternative band out of the 90's that was genuinely fun.

Most of the "Hair Metal" (revisionist history term not used back in the day) bands had top notch musicians who were trying to earn their money by giving their fans a big show as a distraction from their daily problems. "Grunge" bands did not (for the most part) feature musicians as technically accomplished as the "Pop Metal" bands did. "Grunge" bands didn't offer their fans an escape from their daily problems - they reminded them of just how bad their lives were. Ever since I was 14 people always call me names. Since childhood I have suffered taunts about being ugly,ginger,short and masculine. I suffered the worst bullying in high school, It was torture..Heavy Metal and Hard Rock music was my escape!

 

Never cared for Nirvana, they're for Posers.

I can't see Metallica being emotionless though, everything they write is written with emotion. I think the best thing about Metallica was their ability to change their music from album to album, no two albums really sound the same.

I admit I never particularly liked Load when I first bought it, but it's grown to be one of my favorite albums by them. Reload not so much, I consider that one of their worst tbh.

But as for being cold and emotionless, I can't see it. I can't hear it either. They're actually quite positive. Gotta to hear instead of listen.

 

My favorite Metallica song.

One of the best live performances in the history of music, without a doubt Metallica brought an almost unparalleled energy onstage. They were absolutely insane during the 80s. Even Lars was badass in the 80s!! If Lars told the camera to point to the crowd in this day in age, all the people would be still like corpses with their fucking phones out not enjoying the show the way they should. I find funny how they "have" to watch the show thru their phones... the fucking show they are in, for fuck sake, enjoy the damn thing, it's even more stupid when the band states that they are releasing it on video, or just by looking at pro cameras around. And EVERY single moron is filming, all the way to the end. Why? There's like a hundred people filming besides you, there will be videos on youtube by tomorrow in better quality and probably from a better standing point too. It's even worse when they use some shitty camera that cant take the sound and they end up with useless footage. It's like just enjoy the fucking show for yourself in the moment. Sometimes mental pictures and memories are the best.

 

Oh 100% I love for whom the bell tolls, the drums in that are great. and then it opens up to Fade to Black.

I've seen Metallica once about 4 years ago now, that was my first and only in a stadium, first time I was with 100,000 other people that all knew the words lol.

I also like Hero of the Day, and pretty much the entire Kill em All cd except seek and destroy, I know it's popular but I never liked it and was gutted they finishes on that song, I wanted BATTERY!

Mind you, I settled for Orion in its entirety towards the end.

I can also do a pretty hilarious rendition of Master of Puppets out of fart noises from my mouth. I can nail all the solos and I was doing this the other night during fits of laughter, but my wife said I was pretty on point with the fart changes.

 

Even Dave Grohl the drummer of Nirvana dumped grunge the second he could. The guy's an established rocker now. The thing about Hair Metal enduring is that it sounds good. Grunge music does not.
Hair metal still sounds good, and that hasn't changed, nor will it. I'm not interested in listening to some boring downtempo guitar and and a guy complaining about his life. Crying about how depressed they are?
Has anyone forgotten that AIC actually began as a heavy metal band? They switched to grunge via request of Columbia/Sony Music. Fyi, current AIC bassist Mike Inez played for Ozzy before joining his current band.
Nirvana's music is so negative and so deep down depressing that it's not even possible to enjoy. Gave them a try I don't know how many times but couldn't. Their music is just plain awful. Ditto with Bush - not to mention the fact that singer Gavin Rossdale (who had a fan tossed out of a Bush show in Toronto a couple decades ago - for wearing a Rush, not Bush, tee) is a huge douchebag. I can understand if some people don't like this kind of music but I think it is kind of bullshit when people choose to hate this form of music just because of the way the bands dressed. If you hate a form of music simply because of the way the bands looked you are obviously not comfortable with your own sexuality. The Glam metal scene was more manly than any other form of metal. They partied, played music about good times, and they fucked shit tons of hot chicks, and did plenty of drugs. What is more manly than that? Alice in Chains were a glam band they just changed their image once their comrades in Seattle we're getting noticed. Vince Neil said it best. Not other people's fault you can't score women or have a good time. What are you mad at living in the suburbs? Your parents grounding you because you wouldn't take out the trash? People in the slums who are products of their environment and have no control of institutional racism, redlining, and neglect, laugh at you guys. Try being depressed when there's no jobs in the community, no education, run down houses, rows of brick project buildings, flooding of crack/heroin, prostitution, blackouts, and being ecstatic to receive free lunches at the local YMCA. You understand where I'm getting at? That's what Hip Hop was born off. REAL struggle and people never made any whiney/emo music. Metal would still be popular today. But the industry wanted the talentless Grunge bands to make some money. So they Pushed the urban white kid into thinking it was cool music. Man were they misled.

 

Hair Metal didn't endure though Grunge has definitely had more of a lasting effect to the subsequent rock music, which you even conceded in your earlier posts. Did you ever consider that maybe hair metal was just the music of your youth and that's why you have a special attachment to it?

 

Christian Death were good.

And Celtic Frost.

 

I was 27 year old in 1992 grunge broke big and can remember listening to it on the radio and seeing the videos on mtv and thinking "why do so many of these people only want to talk about being depressed and hating life?", then I remember the day kurt cobain committed suicide and the massive overreaction it got as if it was somehow this unexpected event despite the fact he'd tried to off himself two or three times in the previous year or so (all of which had been widely reported on) yet people all expected me to care as if it mattered to me in the slightest regardless of the fact I hated his music and didn't care for the grunge fad at alll. All those "alternative / Grunge Bands" also copied each other & a lot of my friends were even selling out to them. Im like WOW you guys were putting down Poison & Slaughter & THEN talk highly of Nirvana & Pearl Jam!? WTF? That's how I felt about the 90's. Just a bunch of bands cloning each other and a majority having boring, annoying whiny vocalists. Glam metal bands still had plenty of fans, but the industry embraced the whole alternative/grunge scene at that time, and milked that dry too. What annoys me is how people don't take 80s Heavy Metal seriously because of how the bands looked. If you go back and look, there was some KILLER hard rock/metal that came out in the early to mid 90's that largely went unnoticed. Skid Row's "Slave to The Grind" was amazing! The Coverdale/Page album, I still play to this day! Brother Kane put out some amazing stuff! Badlands was great! Even Poison put out a criminally underrated album in "Native Tongue." Warrant was doing great stuff. Winger was great! I could go on and on. The 90's" bands didn't last that long. After 1995 "grunge" died faster than hair metal. Think about it. During grunge Aerosmith, Def Leppard,The Scorpions, Bon Jovi just name a few had massive hits and sold a ton of records. r

I hate mtv, if it wasn't for def leppard, warrant, bon jovi, ratt, quiet riot, white snake, ozzy, kiss, and even Micheal Jackson mtv would have never made it, so what does mtv do to all those bands, they shit on all of them, mtv sucks What bothers me about a channel like MTV is that when something is popular they regard it as being 'good,' but then they'll marginalize that same stuff they made a fortune off of when its no longer considered cool. Hypocrisy and unfairness in the mainstream media bothers me more than the music I don't like. I think a lot of us rockers and metal heads would be far more tolerant of mainstream music if the rock and metal were at least being given fair treatment. Instead...they've basically pretend like our music doesn't exist and make it difficult for it to be heard.

 

I don't think MTV matters all too much now, a lot of people discover music through viral hits on Youtube or through streaming sites such as Spotify.

 

Yeah Celtic Frost had some awesomeness.
Monotheist, however, is one of the deepest depressive albums I've ever heard.

 

That said, Metallica ARE good I just don't know why I'm not so keen. I will go back and take a listen. I liked Anthrax because they had a punkier edge.

 

Metallica are bit more deep in their lyrics. They're quite confusing sometimes.
Funny singing to them as a teen and now understanding what I'm saying in my 30s lol.
I never got a lot of the drug references. But I believe some of their songs are about being on drugs.

 

I remember one song, aside from the black album which I did like. That song was "Leper Messiah" lol.

 

Ahh i always thought that was one of their weaker songs on Master of Muppets. I also used to skip Desposable Heroes.

 

It was the title that struck me. I felt like I could be that. Hehe.

 

I'm totally over them as well. I guess its a drifting music taste thing. I have to time my Maiden, Rainbow and Dio tunes too otherwise they just annoy me. I'm not in the mood for it as often as I used to be. Metallica of course blew it for me after the Black album. Now i mainly appreciate their first 3 and Garage inc.

Good call on Celtic Frost! I also love Merciful Fate from that era. If we focus on glam/hair metal, the eighties really seem retarded in the heavy metal department (besides all the groovy hardrocking 70s stuff! that of course kept going) but it was just the popular fad of that decade.

 

Metal runs the same grooves through your mind. Can be annoying. A little goes a long way for me.

 

The "Hair Metal" era, roughly '83 to '92 or so, represents the last time Heavy Metal was truly relevant.

 

Used to love Metallica, for a long while......but nowadays I am soooooo sick of them.

Never got sick of Anthrax though

 

Point of entry into music history is what the difference is. When Zep first hit the scene in 69 there was nothing like them. They paved the way for “heavy” music. One cannot realistically compare Hair metal to Zeppelin. Bands like Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath were about the music, bands like Motley Creu and Warrant were more about the hair Spray and who could look goofier. Just listen to the music between these eras, really listen to it. Most of the hair metal was just throw away stuff that sounded good for awhile. I myself never took hair metal seriously. It was generic at best but it was entertaining.