The US plan of bombing Mecca

Would you prefer Muhammadite?
Musselmen?

Nevertheless... I have given a fairly accurate description of the Ultimate Intent of Islam, havent I?

 

No, you have given a paranoid typical christian right description. Ignorance blinds you.

 

Thats funny, I have heard the opinion of several Muslim teachers that the domination of the world by Muhammeds Islam is one of the very last events before the return of Isa.
Once again, this is not the same as saying that everyone will become Muhammed Muslims but that every nation will be 'Under Islam'.
Canada for example will be a 'Muslim Nation' with the Koran as its highest source of Law even though there may be many Christians living among those who converted or were slain.
We will pay a tax of course but the point is that the Koran will be the 'Final Word' on all matters.
Then 'Isa' comes and informs all the Christians that their Bible was Corrupted (because Muhammed said so) and we will all pray to Mecca.

Can I ask you something Ewok - do you think the Koran allows you to lie right now?
Is it considered a lie for you to avoid this or simply reply with other topics or personal opinions.
Would you like me to paste some verses from Muhammeds Bible that show this is true.

Hey.. Maybe Im worng but I notice you are not willing to say otherwise?
At least Catstevens admits he believes he will be one of the Muslims to help Isa show the Christians how to submit.
I bet that is a very very exciting and even obsessive fantasy you have Catstevens?
how you and many Arabs will be our teachers and come and train us in your ways and finally after all the Western people will be answering to YOU (and Isa of course) and you will be who we look to and ask questions.
How you will sit on the chair as these Christian women are put in their place and the western men are welcoming you as the teacher.

Ohhhh what a wonderful fantasy that must be for the insecure Muslim youth and their massive inferiority complex!

 

You speak to me as if I am a Muslim, but I am not. I am an esotericly spiritual pantheist. But I am friends with many Muslims, and indeed, I find that I have far more in common, spiritually speaking, with Muslims than I do with Jews or that vastly corrupted message of Jesus that has become mainstream Christianity. The Bible IS corrupted. How can you claim that a book that has such verses as Deuteronomy 20:13, or Psalm 137 in it is holy? It is hateful and borders evil. It has good in it as well. Jesus was a great man and a pioneer of socialism and a great advocate of spirituality, but modern christianity (especially evangelical christianity) has corrupted his message into justifying such hateful acts as the invasion of Iraq, the financial and military support of the aparthied government of Israel, and the promotion of neoliberal capitalism. Muslim nations do not slay non-muslims, to do so would be contrary to Islam, no matter what Pat Robertson says. Indeed, after Muslim powers dominated Misr (Egypt), the majority of the population remained Christian for 7 centuries, and even today 10 percent of the population are adherants of Coptic Christianity (far less corrupted than other versions of Christianity). What Muslims believe is that there will be Christians when Jesus comes (which is basically at the end of the world), but Jesus will tell them that they are wrong for being Christian. This is not what I believe, but I respect the Islamic belief of such things. Just as I respect Christianity, so long as it steers away from the abomination that is the Christian right. Indeed, the Christian Right is oxymoronical, as Jesus said vastly left wing things and espoused a belief that focuses of social justice rather than personal gain (which is why the west exploits th Middle East after all).


Of course none of this is my spiritual beliefs, that, however, is for a different conversation...

 

And once more, change your avatar. You are a hypocrate if you don't.







Do you even know what it represents???????

 

For your own paranoid and narrow-minded reasons you must keep assuming Im somehow 'In with the Masons' or some wacko idea to go along with all your others.
Why dont you tell us which part of the Koran you believe is corrupted?
If you see none - then why do you continue on Kafir, denying Muhammed as the one true Prophet (because Muhammed says he is therefore he is) and start submitting to the rules of Islam?
Give me one good reason why you refuse to submit to Allah as he presents himself through Muhammed?
One reason?

 

Because I believe the truth is esoteric and can not be found in anybody elses words.The Quran is the truth according to Muhammed, which is great, but it isnt mine. I need the truth according to me, not anybody else. I do not expect to find God through any words, be they written or spoken. The Quran, wonderous as it is, is comprised of words, and therefore it is an exoteric source of spirituality, which conflicts with what I believe the path to God is. I do not believe you are in with the masons as you say. I believe that you are have terribly simple and mainstream ideas, which of course are forewarded by the terribly evil and manipulative people who control the governments, medias, and corporations in the west. Are they the illuminati? the Masons? I do not know, and one word or another doesnt make much difference. The symbol I have chosen as my avatar represents my resentment for those simple and mainstream ideas that they feed to the masses.

 

I have encountered far far more arrogant and self-rightuous Christians who have tried to convert me than I have met Muslims who try to convert me. In fact, all (and I do mean every single one) Muslims who I have met, and there have been dozens, have respected my spirituality. Dozens of Christians, on the other hand, have looked at me as if I am doomed to play poker with Nero, Judas, and Baal in the depths of hell.

 

Dear Erasmus,

You know what? Maybe you are right. Maybe the real problem is that our "Spiritual systems" HAVE become Political and Socio-economic systems.

I was driving home from work yesterday when I heard a radio report (National Public Radio, you've got to love 'em) about the Supreme Court's re-examination of a ruling on an abortion case. Apparently, the neo-conservative, religious right is excited about the prospects of the law enforcing its beliefs.

Now, I understand there are very important principles that are passionately upheld by good people on either side of this issue. These principles will be, and probably, should be argued forever. But it seems to me that the religious right (whether it is Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or any of the others that are allowing themselves to be led by unenlightened fundamentalism) has found some new faith in government that will one day prove to be the classic devil's bargain.

In other words, faith in the Neo-conservative "vision" is really a well-concealed confession of insufficient faith in our religious traditions to truly inspire people to become complete humans.

The purpose our religions are supposed to fulfill (you know, providing consistent, reliable access to the divine, as well as insight, comfort, sanctuary and community) is left unattanded by an increasingly distracting, maybe even an overwhelming focus on political objectives.

Yes, one should do good works, but maneuvering for control of political power, legal systems, governments, etc. in order to force your views on others is not the same thing as inspiring and enlightening human beings to become wiser, more compassionate, more creative, more truthful, more loving, more conscious, more harmonious, and so on.

What do you think?

Peace and Love

 

I think that was the best post Ive ever seen from you Varuna.
Its not surprising when a majority of people in a democracy are Christian that the government policy reflects that.
Thats not a bad thing.
Its democracy reflecting its population.

There have been eras where Christian 'Theocracy' has reared up but these eras were also put away by Christians in those societys.
Reformers.
Later a 'New World' was started where the Christians attained 'Separation of Church and 'State''.
Good for them!

What Im saying here is that while anyone can (and has) made spiritual belief systems to become 'political systems' (and I used Buddhism as an example) its something you have to 'force'.
Meaning: Buddha himself or his teachings themselves dont ask for this and really dont even allow for such a thing.
Rulers and people must 'make it fit' and next thing you know someones invading another nation 'in the name of Buddha'.

Islam is different.
It is like the Torah for the Ancient Jews and even then some.
It reveals a whole system of both spiritual principles AND socio-economic systems as well as government itself.
Its asking for all these things as part and parcel.

Thats a different animal than your other major world religions like Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism.

One of the simple ways I have explained the difference is to say:
- You have to twist the Bible if you want to make a theocracy out of it.
- You have to twist the Koran if you DONT want to make a theocracy of it.

That to me sums up the difference.

 

The "New world" wasnt started. It was invaded by fanatical Christians and the origional inhabbitants were by and large wiped out, and the remnants were (and still are) oppressed, forced from their land, and have had their spirituality and language robbed from them. History has shown that when Muslim's expand, they are far FAR more tolerant than when christians expand. Example, at least half of the population in Moorish Andulus (Spain and Portugal) remained Christian or Jewish and only paid a small amount more taxes than Muslims. However when the Christians took over......well I think we are all aware of a little thing called the Spanish Inquisition. Dont forget that all Muslims were forcibly expelled to Africa (actually, it went so far as all people with Islamic history in their families were expelled under Philip II if I am not mistaken) and the country remained 100% Christian for centuries. Do NOT judge Islamic rule based on modern times. Right now, the majority of Muslim countries (and indeed all 3rd world countries) are being ran by profiteering dictators (with the guise of "president" and "prime minister"). This is not due to inferiority of the people of those nations, but rather it is due to capitalist western exploitation and imperialism. Bush and the house of Saud walk hand in hand. That is why I (and a vast amount of Arabs) abhor the term "Saudi Arabia". It is like calling the UK "Windsor England".


Erasmus, your hatred of Islam has been made clear over several posts. I am left to ask myself one question, do you have even one muslim friend? I have many Christian friends, and some Jewish ones as well (which says alot in my community, it having only about 600 Jewish people on a good day), aside from my Muslim friends. Indeed, I do not think there is a major world religion whose adherants I have not befriended. Do you have any Muslim friends? Maybe your good buddy Rush Limbaugh wouldnt like that too much.

 

The original inhabitants of North America were long gone before Christian Europeans showed up. The archeological record, however inhibited by NAGPRA whenever possible, shows this. The archeological record also shows "Native" Americans are actually Native Asians. Just being a technical prick.

 

And Native Asians are actually Native Africans if you go back a few thousand years (as are white europeans, and everyone else for that matter). Native Africans are actually advanced Apes, and Advanced Apes are the decendants of Pangeans. Whats your point? that does not subtract in the slightest from the holocaust that happened in North and South America, and the oppression of those indeginous people that carries on right to this day.

 

There was and is no 'wiping out' of Native peoples across Canada and that is one of the most ridiculous myths to go along side the fables of a race of people called 'Palestinians' who had their 'land occupied'.
Total nonsense.
Islam did a great job spreading itself - slaughtering and viciously destroying, looting raping and pillaging everyone they could.
Submit to Muhammed, Die or if your lucky enough to be a follower of the Book
Is this a fable like your misinformed lies about Native Canadians fate?
No.
Its FROM THE KORAN AND HADDITH
Heck.. Im giving you the censored version because the real details of murdering parents and taking the children as loot and 'booty' (oh those young boys for Muhammeds men) not to mention cold-blooded murders, raping the women.
Again:
This is not the same as saying these are terrible acts that happened by renegades and people who abused the teachings of Muhammed.
THIS IS WHAT MUHAMMED TOLD THEM TO DO and Unapologetically and with forthought and intent and planning willfully commited to doing and doing and redoing.
Allah told them too.

Btw.. Unlike you I actually lived on a Rez, have native blood, sleep with native blood and surprise surprise I am around Muslims all day long all week long.
Im not worried about liking or disliking Muslims - Im worried about the violent and hatefilled religion they are unfortunately in bondage to.
You can only contrive ridiculous personal characterisations about fictional 'right wing Christians' (and im not aware Rush Limbaugh is a Christian) but sorry to say none of this will change the fact that your Muhammad is nothing short of a sick, serial killing, serial raping, theiving pedophile.
Thats not me saying that - that the Haddith and Koran saying that!

 

You are an absolute idiot. I do not know where to begin to respond to that ignorant and absolutly racist and hateful post. It would be my better judgement that tells me not to respond, for there would be too much anger towards all the stupid fucking Bushist things you have said, but I will respond nonetheless, because I must. There is no reaching you, I am well aware, you are an ignorant bloody brainwashed bastard. I will respond nonetheless.



Native culture in Canada has been all but wiped out. There was a thing called the residential schools, you should look into it. Millions died here due to European imperialism, but the Canadian Natives have had it lucky compared to others. when I was speaking about the indeginous holocaust, I was primarily reffering to that which was commited under the Spanish in central and South America, The British and French in the Carribean (not many Taino's left due to this), and in the western plains under the American expansion into what is now looked back nostalgicly upon as the "wild west" which is almost as bad as looking back on the fun times had at Camp Auschwitz. There are a people called the Palestinians, and they are distinct from other Arabs. They have their own diolect, their own history, their own food, their own music, and their own culture. What you are proposing is absolutly absurd, that either Palestine was allways inhabbited solely by Jews (which any person who knows anything about the Middle East will tell you is absolutly false) or that before the Jews came back, Palestine was unoccupied by humans (which is far far more ludacris, and I do not think anybody who has so much as passed a grade 2 class in Smut Eye Alabama would believe). Muslim armies did expand. Do I think they had the right to? no, I do not. But thats what people of all religions and cultures did back then...they were violent times of expansion. Muslim armies were far FAR more restrained than Christian or Zoroastrian ones who they fought. They did not force their religion upon the people they conquered, and under Islamic rule, there was not only peace, but prosperity and justice as well....something which neither the Byzantine Emperors or the Persian Kings offered their subjects. How dare you say that Muslim people are "in bondage to a violent and hateful religion"? They practice Islam because Islam gives them peace (The word Islam means "peace"...not "submission" as is commonly thought by non-Arab speakers. compare to the word Salaam....in latin alphabet, it looses its connection, but say the words and you will find a link....this was taught to me by Arabic people who were teaching me the language). Of course Rush Limbaugh is a Christian, he spouts much of the same ignorant filth that comes out in your posts. Muhammed also never said anything about raping little boys. That was made up by Islamophobic Christians who are counting down to the apocalypse. If you can source that from an actual copy of the Hadith, and not some fuckwad racist website, maybe then I will be more willing to listen to you. But as of now, you come across as a very ignorant, bigoted, simple-mided fundamentalist christian asshole.

 

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I am so happy that you (EwokUtopia) are so aware of many things regarding Islam, my religion, may Allah bless you, Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Muslims have bunch of prophecies which I am aware a little bit about them, but someday I will earmark months just to be more informed about them, however, my information about this issue according to a Muslim brother told me that yeah, there will still be ample Christians abound when Jesus returnshe will tell them that they were wrong to worship him as God, and that belongs to God and God alone, who is indivisible. And as a Muslim brother told me, that those Christian will embrace Islam after that.

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BTW: This Muhammad who will come in the future isn't Muhammad the final prophet, no he is another one but with the same name 'Muhammad' his cognomen is Al-Mahdi, and he isn't a prophet.

(KJV) Matthew7.22:Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [God's name isn't Jesus; Jesus isn't god, God's name is Allah,click here to see the Photostat from an old bible ]

(NIVUK) Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'Click

(WE) Then I will say to them, "I never knew you. Go away from me! What you do is very wrong!" Click ​

(WYC) And then I shall acknowledge to them, That I knew you neverè(I understand (I could be wrong) that the Christians who are claiming that Jesus (pbuh) came to them and told them such and such, or he inspired them to do or to say such and such, actually, Jesus wasn't that one who was inspiring or talking to them! because, he will say to them: I knew you never and when he never knew them that means he didn't talk to them nor inspired them! Don't forget the status of such Christians, who do what they call it miracles in Jesus name); depart away from me, ye that work wickedness.Click​

(NIRV)Then I will tell them clearly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who do evil!'Click​

(HCSB) Then I will announce to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers! Click [According to the religious law you should do these things in the name of the Lord, using other names is blasphemy so they are lawbreakers]​

(DARBY)and then will I avow unto them, I never knew you. Depart from me, workers of lawlessness.Click​

(CEV) But I will tell them, "I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!"Click​

(NLT) But I will reply, `I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized.Click​

(AMP) I never knew you; depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands]Click[I will try to write a thread about, how they are disregarding his commands someday].​

I continue in other post.​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens

 

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(KJV) Matthew15. 9: in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of menè(probably Paulread posts 121,122 and 123 ) plus​

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Pagan Roots of the Trinity Doctrine​

The Apostle's Creed​

The Nicene Creed​

The Athanasian Creed​

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(WYC)and they worship me without cause [truly they worship me without cause], teaching the doctrines and the commandments of men.Click ​

(NIRV)Their worship doesn't mean anything to me. They teach nothing but human rules.Click​

(NLV)Their worship of Me is worth nothing. They teach what men have made up.Click​

(NLT)Their worship is a farce , for they replace God's commands with their own man-made teachings.​

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John 4.21-34: (Jesus) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Fatherè (see he said father not the son or the Holy Spirit, he only mentioned the father!). Ye worship ye know not what, we know what we worship… and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father…for the Father seeketh such to worship him.​

Acts 17:18… Heè (Paul)seems to beadvocating foreign gods.​

Quraan: Say: O People of the Scripture. Come to an agreement between usè (Muslims) and you: that we shall worship none but Allah è (the father), and that we shall ascribe no partners [Holy Spirit –Jesus …] unto Him… And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him).​

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Isaiah 45.17-22 [TEV=Today's English Version (TEV) or Good News Bible]:​

''…It is he who says, "I am the LORD, and there is no other god [no partners 3 but 1]. I have not spoken in secret or kept my purpose hidden... I am the LORD, and I speak the truth; I make known what is right."​

(NLT) Isaiah 43: 10-11"But you are my witnesses, O Israel!" says the LORD. "And you are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God; there never has been and never will be. I am the LORD, and there is no other Savior.Click ​

Romans 2.8: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath​

Quraan: Is there any God beside Allah? Say: Bring your proof, if ye are truthful! I did my precious Lord ​

To discuss these verses please do in the following link​

Is God 1 or 3? [Or] Is Jesus God or part of God? [Let the Gospel answer]​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

Its true that Muhammed himself prefered nine year old girls for sexual delights.. she was his favourite and his other wives even gave up their turn to allow Muhammed extra nights with the girl.
As a good wife she cleaned the semen off his clothes before he went to prayer:

Aisha: I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them

Mind you, she must have eventually gone into puberty because she recounts Muhammed fondling her while she had her period:

Aisha narrated: “The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were in the ritual impure state. During the menses, he used to order me to wrap my waist with a dress and used to fondle me, while in menses. He used to bring his head near me during his seclusion and I would wash while I was in my period.”

[I actually feel so disgusted right now Im not even gonna bother bringing up boys taken as 'booty' from Caravan raids or the beautiful virgin boys in heaven who are like pearls before Muslim warriors...granted neither verses explicitly stating they are for sexual intercourse.]

But again, if you are telling me you reject the Hadith and these accounts then I say Good for You!

 

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In this way they will be the losers, because they are destroying the earth, if they are harming the others and the environment, actually they are harming themselves because they are living on this earth as well, this is our only home.
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I wish they will join with our Army
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May Allah wraps his soul with peace and love whether he will win or lose the next elections, Amen.
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Oh man! There is so much love and peace, humanity and mercy in this post, may Allah bless you. Thank you =), please join our Army if you still didn't, for more information about our war please click here post 22 and post 20
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Or read the posts from 20 to 23, BTW: there are other communiqués and statements by the army commander in posts 28, 107 to 111 maybe there are other posts, my deepest sincere best wishes.
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Quraan: O ye who believe! If a Fasiq (liar- evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done.
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John 8.32: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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1 Thessalonians 5.21: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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