The US plan of bombing Mecca

Discussion in 'Islam' started by catstevens, Feb 12, 2006.

  1. Anaconda man

    Anaconda man I am not a hippy

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    Yes it is a very nice photo, quite moving actually. If only it inspired the right people.
     
  2. Baja 1000

    Baja 1000 Member

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    We need to keep 1 of our last made products alive since everything alse is either made in Japan or China . so boys keep those bomb factory going since theres not much to build this days in the U.S.
     
  3. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    I am sure that they only want to attack terrorists. Sometimes God's will causes things that we do not understand immediately, such as Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers, only to be put in a position where he could save his family at a later date. If he had not been sold into slavery (which seems to be an evil act to some) he would not have been in a position to help those he loves.



    What you have wrote is peaceful to my heart. Thank you.
     
  4. EwokUtopia

    EwokUtopia Member

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    But the war on terror is quite simply put slaughtering innocent people in countries which terrorize the west, in effect making the east the victim of terror. The war on terror is absolute bullshit and I hope that reason and love takes a hold of the hearts of the west, and we stop not only the killing, but the oppression and exploitation which created terrorists in the first place. I mourn the loss of every person who died in the world trade center. I do not however mourn the loss of the world trade centre itself. If only the WTO fell with the WTC.....
     
  5. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Are Al-Qaeda and the US playing dirty Games, Is Osama really a Muslim?


    BTW: The Arabia news channel broadcasted a document which shows Saddam and his stupid regime were mocking, sneering, at Islam!!!! Do you think that they are really Muslims or claiming Islam?
    What a dirty Games?

    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  6. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    You don't consider that these peoples deaths are essential to the unfolding of God's plan.
     
  7. EwokUtopia

    EwokUtopia Member

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    I am something of a pantheist, therefore I believe that every person who died in the terrorist attacks of september 11, or those that followed March 18th, 2003, had the God-spirit in them. No, I do not believe that God has a specific plan, rather I believe in the common good of all man, which is absolutly incompatible with this ultra-capitalist neoliberal hegemony that dominates the world. Terrorism is a side-effect of US (and Russian and Israeli for that matter) imperialism. I say let the WTO and the World bank be destroyed swiftly and permenantly, then you will see a more equal, and less violent humankind. To strike back at terrorists (they do not belong to any nation, and the very term itself is ambiguous, why not bomb the hell out of McVeigh's village?) is complete and sheer folly, and will only result in one thing: More terrorism, both in the east and in the west.




    The pilot who flies the stealth bomber is just as bad as the terrorist who hijacks a plane.
     
  8. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    EwokUtopia
    Terroristic nation.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  9. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    Hey, why do you think we armed Iraq against Iran? We knew full well that Saddam was NOT a Moslem and was running a secular nation.
     
  10. EwokUtopia

    EwokUtopia Member

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    A fascistic dictatorship at that, and we all know how much the US loves those, so long as they dont piss America off, then America of course invades and replaces one fascistic dictatorship with another, in the name of "democracy". Iraq will never become a democracy as long as the US has an interest in it.
     
  11. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    [​IMG]What!!
    some Moslem people were saying that but I didn't believe them till I saw that document, till now I am not sure 100%, formerly, I wished that he will become a devout Muslim someday , Muslims were laughing at me and said: this is impossible, I was wondering if he is truly a Muslim and recite Quraan , how could he do this to his people, children, environment …!!! …………O Allah! Your mercy upon my broken heart :(

    But how can people do this? Don't they have hearts! I can't swallow this! How can they sleep while they are torturing totally innocent people deliberately! *sigh* *depression* next time I have to think million times before posting political threads. I hate policy, but there are issues which people should be aware of.
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    Allah please more strength.
    But yeah, the truth and good always win, prophet Jesus (pbuh) will return.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  12. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Not sure 100% that he isn't Muslimè I think I should take it back
    Because,
    Quraan:
    The hypocrites fear lest a Sûrah (chapter of the Qur'ân) should be revealed about them, showing them what is in their hearts. Say: "(Go ahead and) mock! But certainly Allâh will bring to light all that you fear." If you ask them (about this), they declare: "We were only talking idly and joking." Say: "Was it at Allâh and His Ayât(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?" Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after you had believed. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you because they were Mujrimûn (sinners, criminals, etc.).
    I will try to watch that document again; I have to look for it.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  13. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    Catstevens.. I dare you to tell us when Isa (Muhammeds version of Jesus) is supposed to return?

    Its after the world surrenders to Islam.

    Am I right?
    Yes, I am right about this.
     
  14. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    am I dreaming!!!!!!!!
    [​IMG] I can't believe what is happening/going on in this forum in this week
    This thread includes so many fun things.

    Why are you asking then!! No... NO NO NO NO No I can't believe this, [​IMG]


    Note:Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!





    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens

     
  15. EwokUtopia

    EwokUtopia Member

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    You allways have to look for expansionism somewhere in anybody who is muslim, or pro-islam's posts. You can not accept that there are people with religious differences than your own, and you do not respet islamic people in the slightest.

    You are both ignorant and arrogant.

    Am I right?
    Yes, I am right about this.






    By the way, according to Islam, there will still be ample christians abound when Jesus returns, however, when Christians seek refuge under Jesus' protection, he will tell them that they were wrong to worship him as God, and that belongs to God and God alone, who is indivisible. Christians will then be sent to the final prophet by Jesus himself, and Muhammed will offer them the way of God. That is the abridged version of what Islam teaches Jesus' return will be like....more or less.
     
  16. Anaconda man

    Anaconda man I am not a hippy

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    But Cat, is he right?
     
  17. EwokUtopia

    EwokUtopia Member

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    Because Bush, and all the people that control him, are pure evil. They dont care about the sufferings of others, there are only two things they care about. Profit and Power....NOT People. this has been going on for some time now, the same happened all throughout Latin America, and is still happening, but good things are starting to arise in there as well...Venezuala, Cuba, and Bolivia have the potential to become the axis of good to counter the axis of evil, that is Bush, Blair, and Sharon.....well not so much Sharon any more, he is too distracted with the toast that he thinks is burning to oppress anybody, but whatever douchebag will succeed him (may God have mercy on us all if Netanyahu wins the next elections). Neoconservatives have hearts, but they are cold and black, and pump not blood like ours, but oil and magma.
     
  18. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    I dare you to study Islam. Learn a little more about what Islam actually is before you set out to spread more fear and misunderstanding. And please, just consider the idea that Islam is not what you fear.

    One does not surrender to Islam. One surrenders to God. This is what Islam is. Islam is the sacrifice (sacrifice = to make sacred) of one's own will, one's own desires, one's talent, knowledge, efforts and, ultimately, one's own being, to the creative, benevolent harmony of God in this world.

    As such, Islam is perfectly compatible with, and even perfectly realized in, the mission and the passion of Christ, Islam is perfectly compatible with the Jewish practice of Kiddush Ha'Shem, or the sanctification of the name of God.

    Islam is perfect, even if there are too many who borrow its identity without actually traveling its path. And while it is certainly true that not just the Muslim World, but, well, the whole world, has a lot of serious problems, those problems are not going to go away just because too many people don't want to know any better than to indulge in ignorance, fear, hatred, violence and so on.

    Human beings are better than that.

    Yes. But you can be even more right. You can recognize that there is only one humanity. You can love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. You can make peace with your fellow humans rather than denigrating their path to God.

    Or is there nothing else for you to know?

    Peace and Love
     
  19. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    There were some 'roundabout' answers but if I have this right - Isa returns only after all the nations of the world are brought under the House of Islam.

    See, what most people dont understand is that Islam is different than other religions including the ones its based on.

    Example: In the original Gospels we see a prophecy that Jesus returns only after his message has spread to the four corners of the Earth.
    Meaning: Only after all people on Earth have the opportunity to know and read the Gospels.
    Ok.

    Muhammeds version is an entirely different concept. He has Isa returning after all the Nations themselves submit to the authority of the Koran.
    This does not mean that everyone in the USA, personally converts to Islam (as pointed out) but it means that the USA 'as a Nation' will submit its final authority to the Koran and the Laws and Lifestyle it prescribes.
    [Christians and Jews 'under the house of Islam' will still exist but will pay tax to support Islam, will not be allowed to evangelise and in that sense will be 'submitting' to Islam too]

    I would suggest you dont 'Dare people to study Islam' so much.
    I took that dare and even at a beginners understanding this Koran and its 'Prophet' have disgusted me.
    The entirely amazing thing about studying the Koran is that you realise how ignorant the general public is when they convince themselves that Al Quaida and Cartoon Rioters only represent 'Extremist Islam'.
    No.
    They are practicing PROPER Islam and their actions are the logical consequences of its teachings.
    Again, Islam is not just a 'Spiritual' system but its is ALSO a Political and Socio-economic system.
    The whole world and all the nations in it are to be brought under the 'Government of Islam' by any means necessary.
    If you believe Muhammeds version of the Bible anyways.
     
  20. EwokUtopia

    EwokUtopia Member

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    ...This coming from a person who thinks that "muhammedan" is a proper term to describe muslims...
     

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