The US plan of bombing Mecca

The theory is this:

If Mecca gets nuked, then Islam is wrong
if Islam is wrong, people will reject Islam
if people reject Islam, there will be no more terrorism
and besides, with all the people gone we can take the oil

 

That would be the British God?

 

Dear Ballad f Dwight Fry,

You really don't know any better, do you?

I mean, if this is the best you can do, then I truly feel sorry for you.

I hope you feel better soon.

Peace and Love

 

That would be the higher power, yes I happen to believe in God! My point is that terrorists (of any faith) kill innocents for disobeying their particular higher power, not knowing that their higher power will be the ultimate judge.

 

You are an absolutely bigoted and ignorant asshole. People will not reject Islam if Mecca is nuked, rather the fury of Islam will destroy whoever has nuked that city, and if anybody nukes a place based on religious hatred, they deserve pain and death for that crime of crimes. Do you seriously believe that there is no terrorism besides Islamic terrorism? Even in the sense of terrorism that is mostly attributed to Islam, there are easily just as many Christian and Jewish terrorists; do the names Timothy McVeigh or Baruch Goldstien ring any bells? besides, there are worse forms of terrorism than suicide bombings and random shootings. Take the contra's for instance, they killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Nicaragua (paid for by the US) in the name of neoliberal capitalism. The contra's were far more evil than anything that Al Qaeda has to offer, and they were paid for by the "beacon of freedom". Or look at the assassination of Allende and the subsequent fascist government of Pinochet (again, courtesy of Kissenger and the US), easily more evil than Hezbollah. State sponsered terrorism is the worst form by far, if we are to take body counts as a representation of evil. If Mecca is nuked, than it would be one of the most horrific acts of terrorism since the Einsatzgruppen terrorized Slavs, Roma, Sinti, and Jews in the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. And if the goal is to take all their oil, then I hope you drown in it, or more precisly choke on it. You would have the Earth's environment ravaged in the name of economy and profit?





My friend, You are the Terrorist.

 

Ewok: First off, there's one word you missed in what I wrote.

The word is "my".

That's cause it isn't there.

This isn't my theory. It is however a theory.

The discussion was why would someone WANT to do such a thing.

Witness the above.

Of course it wouldn't work - people would find any of a number of other reasons to be utterly crap to each other.

Now, kindly take your holier than thou Canuckistani rant and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

Can I quote something at you you might have missed?

I've said this before, I've no qualm with Islam.

 

I disagree, there's obviously terrorism apart from Islamic terrorism, and we all know of Timothy McVeigh and Baruch Goldstein, but if I listed all of the Islamic terrorist atrocities, I'll run out of thread space. The amount of innocents that have died at the hands of Islamic terrorists would dwarf the amount that have died in other terror attacks. There's not nearly as many Christian or Jewish terrorists as there are Islamic terrorists. And the theory Irongoth brought up is wrong, about if Islam was rejected by Islamic terrorists there'll be no more terrorism, cause they'll just blow people up for some other reason, cause they just love blowing innocent people up!

 

I wouldn't exactly call this an U.S. plan of bombing Mecca...we have a lot of just rediculous congressman and the most conservative ones (that would suggest such a thing as this) are going to be pushing the anti-homosexual agenda again because election time is coming up. This is just one guy that is just the right mixture of egotistical and plain stupid.

 

Well, the time just came...

 

Again, you are an ignorant conservative bigot.


Get ready, because the superpower that once was the American Empire is about to go the way of the Romans.

 

Another driveby insult. On what grounds? Did you forget that I mentioned that the theory in question was NOT my theory and I in fact argued against such assholery?

I am neither ignorant nor a bigot. I am however a conservative, and you are a moron.

This has been predicted for years.

It will eventually be right.

However

1) The resilience of the USA is something at which other nations (who are jealous) marvel.

2) If the USA goes down, so does Europe and Canuckistan. Remember that one before you gloat so hard.

3) I was born and raised in Canuckistan.

 

You are using the conventional definition of terrorism, that is lone wacko's or small cells doing trivial acts of violence. Consider state-sponsered terrorism, which floats on an ocean of blood, whereas Al Qaeda has at best a (non-great) lake. Al Qaeda is still evil as shit, but quite insignificant compared to the Contra's, the IDF, the USAF, the Spetznaz, and of course our beloved United Fruit Company, just to name a very select few. If you do not think the USAF are terrorists, consider the very name "shock and awe"...doesnt this seem like two alternative names for the very word "terror"? plus something between 20,000 to 200,000 innocent Iraqi's have been burned alive by its bombs, or torn asunder by its (depleted uranium) bullets.

By the way, the depleted uranium used in american bullets has left huge sections of Iraq a volitile radioactive wasteland.....WMD's anybody?


Do not fear the boogeyman that is Islamic Terrorism, its about as dangerous to us as witchcraft was to the ordinary European in the 16th century. I am certain of only one thing, in 500 years (if we dont bomb the future as well), we will seem like a very silly and primitive people indeed.

 

You dont talk to many people from other countries, do you? The world hates America for its consumerism (not prosperity), because such consumerism is reliant on the backs of the poor of the world. I'm sure the people of Afghanistan wish the could sit their fat asses in the seat of an SUV, drive to Mcdonalds and eat a heart attack, then go to Wal-Mart and buy the latest season of the OC and watch the annorexic standard of beauty that the worlds fattest nation has created. Pah!

Canada maybe will go down, but not nearly as hard as the Americans. Hell, your economy is going down the tube, while ours remains at a steady rate of growth. Besides, the death of this civilization isnt nessecarily a bad thing, consumerism must end, that or humanity will. The best thing to do is see the upcoming dark age and prepare for it. Thats just one more reason why we need to become more farmiliar and at peace with nature.



I do not hate America, rather I hate what America has become since the end of the second world war. America was once the home of many great minds (and still is, all we need to do is look to Chomsky to see the positive side of the US). The problem with America (and Canada as well for that matter, do not think that I am saying Canada is much better, sign to Kyoto and dont bomb people) is that the greedy rich have duped the poor and middle class (which is far closer to the lower class than it is to the upper class) into accepting this foolish, and ultimately suicidal system of neoliberal consumerism based on infinite economic growth. Think of it as a baloon that the neocons are trying to inflate indeffinately. We have two choices, either let some air out (and forsake this consumer society), or...






BOOM!

 

You know, you had some good points up until this bit. I was almost caught up in the London bombings last year, so don't tell me to not fear the boogeyman, while you're sitting in the comfort and safety of Canuckistan! I know Islamic terrorists do not exist there, but Madrid, London, Bali, France, New York, Egypt, etc, etc, etc, will tell you that there's definitely something to fear. I've noticed a lot of Canuckistanis have the same opinions as you, and it's because you're safe where you are. "No bombings for us, eh, so let's tell everybody else that they're wrong to be angry at the real terrorists". Give me a break!

Btw, your "trivial acts of violence" comment, is an insult to, not only the thousands that died in all these attacks, but their families too!

Bbtw, I don't consider the Iraq war a terrorist act.

 

Then tell me, what makes the lives of innocent Iraqi's torn apart by a black hawk, or blown to hell by a missile any less worthwile than those who died in 9/11 or the London bombings? Do you think their families weep any less than the families of those who died in the terrorist attacks in the west? Your right, I am safe in "Soviet Canuckistan" (I despise your far right rhetoric, mr Buchannon), and I would love to hear the opinions of those who are caught up in this senseless violence every day. If there are any people from Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir, Chiapas, Chechnya, or anywhere else suffering from the terrorism of imperialist exploitation and war, please speak up.

 

By the way, the term "Canuckistan" is incredibly racist. Not to Canadians so much as it is to Central Asians. When Pat Buchannon coined the term "Soviet Canuckistan" he did so to make Canada sound like an evil place. Using the suffix "Stan" which is Persian for "Land", it implies that all "Stan" countries are bad places filled with terrorists and communists. This is a very ignorant and bigoted point of view. Not only do I have many Pakistani and Afhan friends, but I am also a huge admirer of Central Asian culture as a whole, in particular that of Kazakhstan, which I should very much like to travel to someday. Consider the racist connentations of a slur word before using it.

 

Ok, I take back my "Canuckistan" comment, I shouldn't have used it, I was just a little angry that so many Canadians are Liberals and side with the middle east, I won't use the term again.

As for this comment, all I have to say is that didn't surprise me that you admire their culture so much, and seriously to be careful when you visit them, cause trust me if the wrong people notice your Canadian accent, you won't be admiring their culture anymore, and they won't care or show mercy of how much you admire them.

 

Well see I am not sure that is true. statisticly, it is only a very small amount of westerners who are abducted and even fewer who are killed. Most of them are foriegn workers who live in American compunds in "Saudi" Arabia and Iraq. I would think that it is an acceptable risk to travel there, just as there is a risk that the plane that takes me there would crash and we would all die horible burning deaths. Im not afraid of that however because it is unlikely, and to dwell on the unlikely event of your death, be it by accident or by deliberate terrorist attack, is morbid, and not a very fun way to live your life. I do side with the middle east (I appreciate its culture, and it is going through a terrible time right now, and has been for about a hundred odd years, much like the rest of the world save the west and Japan) but I am no Liberal. I am something of a socialist to be more accurate. And I wouldnt worry about my accent so much; most people in the "stans" would know I am not from those parts when they see my extremely blonde hair, blue eyes, and quite fair skin. But this has never hindered me in my international relations before. I really dont think I'd worry about running into the "wrong people" in karaganda, I am just as likely to run into the wrong people in Toronto (which has become quite the sketchy place, yet still I do not worry). call me either a fool or an optimist.

Another note, I do not hate the west, rather the opposite, I LOVE western culture, I am a huge fan (as is apparent) of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, and I also am an avid listener of Wagner, Monteverdi, Ludwig van, Bach, Daquin, Bill Monroe, the Carter Family, the Wolfe Tones, et cetera. Western culture is great. Western culture is also dying rather fast, making way for the new Corporate culture which will eventually kill western culture and usurp its good name. The first victim of Americanization was America. Mcdonalds and Wal-Mart do not represent true American culture. If the world was truly being Americanized, we would find kids in Kyzyl (capital of Tuva) reading Thoreau and listining to some great banjo-pickin'. No, real Americanization would not be a millionth as bad as this corporate Americanization that is going on right now, it has all but killed American culture, and the rest of the world is next.





Also, when I said "trivial acts of violence" I didnt mean that they were trivial in that they didnt matter, but rather they are trivial in that they are random and senseless and dont really accomplish anything from the perpetrators perspective, except maybe a frightened group of survivors. I probably used the wrong word for it. Replace it with "wanton". There was a lecture I heard once that gave an interesting theory. It was that Usama attacked America for the sole purpose of getting her pissed off and having the US attack Afghanistan and other parts of the Muslim world, knowing that many innocent people would be killed in the American attacks, creating anger, confusion and chaos throughout the Islamic world that UBL and his cronnies would then exploit to try to take power for themselves. I wouldnt be surprised if UBL and those people didnt even believe in God themselves, and are only using it to gain power for their own greedy and selfish purposes. Terror begats terror. The only way to stop Terror is to not fight back. Or has the term "War on Terror" never struck you as ironic? War is terror! Turn the other cheek and you can defeat the British Empire. Think about this, I have already said that alot of innocent Iraqi's have been bombed, but what about the Iraqi's who have lost everything (their families, their homes, their ways of life) to the American war machine....Don't you think that these people will become very open to the idea of killing themselves to rid the world of a few Americans? Happy people do not become suicide bombers, and all the "war on terror" is doing is creating generations of sad men with everything robbed from them, they have nothing to live for, untill one day somebody tells them they have everything to die for. That is how Islamic terrorism starts. Its manufacturer: Lockheed Martin

 

anaconda, you dont know much of the world ..

(and that just about covers the myth of the boogeymen!)