The Ukraine Crisis Part 2 . The Battle for the Donbas

Poland also has another option and that it is to trigger Article 4 which will summon the other members to a meeting to discuss the situation and potential measured action .

These Reports need confirming yet as it is only AP currently reporting but that is a reputable source .

 

Sure seems like an article 5 situation there, this is a NATO issue now. Let's remember that NATO has 30 member nations and is not just the U$A to send equipment, money and lastly, boots on the ground..

 

Jens Stoltenberg to have a meeting with NATO ambassadors on Wednesday following the situation in Poland, says Reuters.

russians are pulling out from Nova Kakhovka. Isn't that where the huge dam is? I'm worried that this evac could be in preparation to blowing it up, like the russians have threatened to do.

 

There is a meeting convened later today regarding the missile .

Initial investigations conclude that it is Russian made but both sides use Russian manufactured weapons .

Joe Biden is playing this down by stating "Unlikely" to have been lunched by Russia and so it could be a Ukrainian anti missile missile that missed its target or hit its target and the debris going over the border .

We will probably see later

 

Latest on this is that Poland are now playing this down but continuing on with their investigation.

Thinking is now that it could be an S300 missile of which both sides use these but it is a defensive missile and therefore more likely to have been launched by Ukraine .

It is most unilkely now that Article 4 will be called for but the facts need to be fully established which will be found during the ongoing investigation.

 

Where is this gas being delivered to exactly? If it's heating gas for the people of St. Petersburg, then it looks like somebody else is gonna have a cold winter too. They're already down to -6 Celsius (=21 Fah) weather over there.

 

I believe the Gazprom gas pipeline serves the residents of the St Petersburg area

While there is the suspicion of sabotage, Russia’s gas infrastructure is old and gas explosions are fairly common. far more common than is generally reported.

Any suspicion this may have been sabotage lies in the fact that there was trace evidence of explosives found at the site of the Nord Stream pipeline, and this may have been an act of revenge - it's all speculation until the investigation is completed

 

Gotta Love the Ukrainians

 

There may be further proof now that russia is struggling with their ammunition supplies. After previously ordering more rockets and artillery shells from iran and north-korea, they've now began converting their old nukes to just plain old ordinary missiles. And supposedly they don't even work that well without the warheads.

Says Reuters:
Britain says Russia likely removing nuclear warheads from missiles and firing at Ukraine

If Ukraine can survive this winter, things could be looking a whole lot different next summer. At this rate that the russians are expending ammo, if they're already running low, they're not gonna have anything left by next summer, and what then? Are they gonna start launching cows with catapults against the Ukrainians?

 

russians may be preparing to evacuate Zaporizhzhia:
Ukraine nuclear boss says he sees signs Russia may leave occupied plant

russia is taking heavy losses in Donetsk Oblast:

 

There is never going to be a legitimate justification for what has taken place in Ukraine. I think going to the table is the right idea, only because that is where negotions will take place. Russia has a willingness to diplomacy in the quote. If I were asked what to do next, I would agree to Russian terms for peace and in years to come, there can be referendum after referendum, money to families displaced and civilian lives taken in collateral deaths, and at some point, an effort by NATO allied countries to create a new organization that will address exactly the sort of situation Ukraine is in with feedback from Russia to ensure that the expectation for protections against hostilities on their borders and their sovereignty are met.

I would leave the hope of NATO behind, surrender and retreat from that strategy and demand that the protection of Ukrainian sovereignty, peace, and safety is important.

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There's nothing genuine about anything the kremlin proposes. The pitfall here is that putin just wants to buy time to rebuild and re-arm his military for another round of attacks. He knows the russian troops are fucked, if the Ukrainians continue to attack throughout the winter. The russians are notorious for wiping their ass cracks with all and any agreements they've ever made when it best suits them. Don't forget, Ukraine was already promised safety guarantees by the russians, after they surrendered their soviet era nukes. russia has now blatantly gone back on that word:

Ukraine's forgotten security guarantee – DW – 12/05/2014

From a strategical perspective, Ukrainians would be mad to stop now when they have the momentum and the russians are weak.

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"Moscow wants legal guarantees that Ukraine will never be allowed to join NATO", "wants Ukraine to change its constitution"

Ukraine is unlikely to agree to any of this. A weak and defenseless Ukraine is exactly what putin wants and this would be one step towards that. Also, the Ukrainians don't owe the russians ANY changes to their laws. Sovereign, independent states don't have to obey demands like this from a hostile, murderous force. Ukraine has also made abundantly clear that no land will be surrendered. Look at it this way: If russia is allowed to get away with this, not only did they murder thousands of people with impunity, but they would also get rewarded for doing this by giving them fresh land. Land that previously legally belonged to somebody else. Allowing this would merely embolden the russians to later try and repeat this tactic, this adventure somewhere else, most likely at the cost of more dead bodies.

This attack has to stop in Ukraine, and it has to be on the Ukrainian people's terms, to remind russia that they are in no position to unlawfully invade other countries like this. If russia wants peace, they could start by showing good faith and immediately pulling all of their troops back to russia. We're waiting, vladimir.

 

Has Vladimir Putin turned into another Mrs. Fletcher?

Putin fell down stairs, soiled himself as speculation over worsening health grows

Russian President Vladimir Putin fell down the stairs and soiled himself this week amid mounting speculation that his health is declining, an anti-Kremlin Telegram channel with apparent links to his security team reported.

Putin, 70, suffered the unfortunate fall at his Moscow official residence on Wednesday evening, according to the Telegram channel “General SVR,” which purports to be run by a former Russian spy.

The ailing Russian leader allegedly fell down five steps before landing on his coccyx, or tailbone.

Although his security guards immediately rushed to his aid, the impact of the fall caused Putin to “involuntarily defecate” due to “cancer affecting his stomach and bowels,” according to the channel.