The Ugly Face Of Religious "Morality"

Would have been better if the church had blown up at the end.

 

Religion has been twisted and corrupted to endorse many travesties over the years. This is nothing new.

Ultimately, it's not the religion's fault; it's the fault of agenda-driven humans. Religion is a tool that can be used for either right or wrong. Depends who is wielding it.

 

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Mic drop muffukas

 

So you have a tool that hurts as many people as it helps...
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An intelligent person would look for a better tool.

 

I think it's pretty hip that God lies and claims to be a man from the future. It would be great to be God and scare the shit out of people like this.

 

I believe in God, but don’t believe in religion. I think one can separate the two.

 

That's like saying our military should go into combat armed with feathers to tickle the enemy to death because some people use guns to commit murder

 

If you're going to buy into gun solutions then you should at least have to look at some innocent casualties.

You don't like see the ugly side of your solutions.
Close eyes tightly.
Fingers in ears.
/CLOSE THREAD

 

That kind of presupposes that a group of people can't believe in God without thinking it gives them the right to commit atrocities. Such has yet to be seen. Many things we have have disadvantages as well as advantages, science being one of them.

 

Original sin, vicarious redemption through the torture and death of Jesus Christ. It's a big Christian theme, and subconscious excuse and expectation, to be sinful and then seek forgiveness.

And God is a delusional projection of their ego. So seeking and receiving forgiveness is really just forgiving themselves for all the shit that they've done to others. It's borderline sociopathy.

 

A religion is not created by God. It is a social and cultural institution built by man. Hence it serves the needs and prejudices of the culture it serves, especially of those in power, as it validates and protects their power. An authentic religion is sparked by the legitimate spiritual experiences of its founders and prophets, but being a man-made structure it bastardizes the intent and meaning of those experiences. Christianity, for example, teaches that God is unconditional love, and that thou shalt not kill----then you have such things executed in the name of God, and promoted by the religion itself as the Spanish Inquisition, Manifest Destiny, and the fascist movement of Italy and the National Socialist Movement of Germany that brought us World War II, not to mention the State Shinto a religious perversion of what was originally a spirituality that moved Japan into the conflict.

An original spirituality on the other hand tends not to be so hypocritical and demand such impossible ego-ideals. There is no book filled with rules, codes, and conditions. Good and evil follow nature rather than man's morals, and political motives. The primary example of such an original spirituality is that of indigenous people found around the world----which follows a universal and very common reasoning---even if the myths are varied and the names are changed, and it reflects the local land and nature. It isn't until you see cultures advance into a planter stage that you see the beginnings of religious thought, such as the emergence of duality. But in an original spirituality, thou 'shouldn't' kill, but one does need to eat, and defend oneself (in other words you don't have the hypocracy that reflects the ego-ideals of religion). There is no all-powerful evil that can defeat the individual and condemn him or her to hell---but the universe is filled with benevolent, neutral, and malignant forces---and they all have an important purpose. As long as you live your life in balance with nature and spirit, things will go good for you. But if you fall out of, or move out of balance---become greedy, wage war, kill people, etc. things will not go well for you. But the universe, God, is unconditional in its love, and you will always be welcomed back---after all, you never escape spirit----it is everything and everywhere. And if you ever have a chance to experience ceremony in these original ways, you will find that, yes, there truly is something underneath all this that gave reason for religion, spiritual experiences, and spirituality. There is a reality beyond the physical and these spiritualities have such an easy access to it, an access that religion has long lost. There is power in those ways.

 

Okay.

Hopefully some moderator will come by and lock it for you then.

 

I d probably have to read all this nonsense first..

 

gods don't build churches. humans do.

we hide it from ourselves, when we say; "we know", and that everything has to and can only, be how we say or think we know it.

anything can have all the power it wants, among an infinity of other things that have just as much, and surrounded by a wonder of strangeness that requires no personification.

i like how you explain it here.

i believe we can also have trains and computers, even space ships, without a human-centric perspective. the knowledge exists for our technologies to respect nature.
we only need that indigenous perspective, to motivate prioritizing for it to do so. we can learn once again, to build houses (or anything else) no bigger then what we actually do in them.

while what i'm saying may seem like a marginally related distraction itself,
i mention it because too often someone will come along and try to claim that we can't have any of these advanced technology kinds of things,
without a post agriculturalist, religiously hierarchal, way of culture. and there's really no visible support for them to make such a claim.

 

My sentiments exactly themnax. In fact, philosophically I argue that we are approaching a dead end or a block in the information age. Our continued technological advancement will require a new perspective into the nature of reality------one that we could learn from the indigenous, but that is also very old in the West as well.

 

In that analogy the question would be why do you need the military in the first place?

Why do you need religion in the first place, what is it, but a bunch of rules saying some or someone is better than everyone else

 

Plenty of other secular things out there other than religion that conspires to tell people that someone is better than them.

 

We need the military for collective defense, because there are plenty of bad actors out there willing to do us harm. Same reason we need police. I need religious groups as places where I can meet with people sharing common values, to exchange ideas, experience fellowship, and channel altruistic impulses. Love of God and neighbor are positive values that not just Christians share. I find that life goes better when it's God-centered, and religious ritual helps me to stay focused. The downside is that religion can discourage critical thought, promote self-righteousness and superstition, and reinforce animosity toward outgroups. We need to be alert to the pathology, and to avoid the dark side of religion. Not all religions are equal in that respect. Jesus gave us the fructose test to tell the true from the false: we know them by their fruits. There's no substitute for good judgment and critical thinking.