The slow agonising death of the right

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Feb 26, 2019.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Super Moderator


    What are you going on about?

    Again can you actually explain your thinking in a rational and coherent way?
  2. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Super Moderator


    Well tribalism can run deep especially in rural and more isolated communities, urbanisation has a tendency to throw people together that might not mix or know about each other in other places. It is easier to be with ‘your own kind’ (be that class, religion, sexuality or race) in a rural community rather than in a city. I was watching a documentary on Vietnam and it had a guy a white guy from a rural community who got drafted and admitted that until he fought alongside them he had never talked to a black person and made comments that he had the realisation that they were just like him.

    What I’m saying is that things change, have changed, and that many on the right seem to be still clinging to a past that is fading.
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  3. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eyed salmon

  4. Deidre

    Deidre Follow thy heart

    We need an entirely new system, one that isn't just two corrupt parties playing tug of war all day long. (with our tax money) I'd even take a libertarian, at this point. An independent would be ideal, but it's hard to build a strong enough base.
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  5. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    The people who grew up in the 2008 crash, went to school with all types of people, deal with shootings, and don't know a world without 9/11 are going to be conservative? I doubt it. That is why people are so stressed. They say the young people don't remember the USSR which is of course all socialism ever is.

    There are many articals that say the opposite of what this ones does. I guess we will see when they vote. It's the dream of anyone to bring kids into their life. To see them take on our morals.
  6. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    There's a ton of articles out there about how gen z is shaping up to be even more progressive than millenials. Lolz
  7. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Not to worry. The survey cited in 6-eyed's link is bogus. The findings were based on an open internet survey, with no filter questions to determine eligibility for the sample, no way to prevent taking the survey over again multiple times, and complex questions asking agreement or disagreement with multiple matters like same sex marriage, transgender rights and marijuana.
    The study was written up in Forbes, Daily Mail, and The Telegraph which have clear right wing objectives.Why Generation Z is not more conservative - After The Millennials
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  8. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eyed salmon

    That’s alright

    I prefer the left remains cocky and blissfully ignorant
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  10. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Statistics are funny like that 6. Ask the right question and get any result you want.
  11. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Super Moderator


    LOL this from the person that thought alt-rightism was the way of the future (just before jumping that particular ship) and has shown their ignorance on many subjects, very clear, many times.

    What I’m asking is what does the right stand for what is their vision for the future?

    Their free market ideology is looking increasingly flawed if not actually dangerous to the wider society and the image of the US been a beacon and shining city on a hill seems to be replaced with a mean, nasty and divisive forms of nationalism that is seemingly even getting the support of white supremacists (it’s never a good sign when you have neo-Nazis on your side).

    The right look craven and desperate whose cries of ‘freedom’ ring hollow when the reality is voter suppression, gerrymandering and the seeming wish to trample political checks and balances.

    Think about it - has any right wing that has come here been able to defend their right wing views from the valid criticisms of their opponents?

    If you are honest you would have to admit the answer is no.
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  12. lode

    lode One Man Orgy

  13. lode

    lode One Man Orgy

    But they don't make any conservatives feel good. Fake news.

  14. So, in other words, the right is stronger than ever
  15. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eyed salmon

    It cost them the 2016 election, and many many more to come.

    Their only hope now is to reverse the Supreme Court's decision of voter ID laws. So they can let illegals, foreigners, minors, and felons vote without ID so they can cheat elections in their favor
  16. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    No, all we have to do is remove the electoral college which is happening now. Without that there is no Trump or Bush. We don't need a conspiracy we just need the majority of Americans which is why you have this conspiracy.
  17. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    How is removal of the electoral college happening now? Without a constitutional amendment, the best we can do is change the "winner take all" provisions in state law. The catch there is that states willing to do that are probably blue states, which aren't the problem.
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  18. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    That's true, none of these small population red states will do it. They have the attitude of this main governor and the attitude of Trump. They say white people are forgotten

    Ex-Maine GOP gov: White people won't get 'anything to say' if Electoral College is eliminated
  19. lode

    lode One Man Orgy

    Like the 2018 election where the blue team won by 8 points nationally?

    Like how the only voter fraud in 2018 was committed by a Republican, who's district had to call for a new election, and Mark Harris, the GOP candidate refused to run in it?

    North Carolina election fraud latest: Political operative indicted - CNNPolitics
  20. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    I love when 6 gets put in his place but his political thoughts are like the goddamn Hydra, chop one off and two grow back. He'll be parroting the same thing and then some in another thread soon, just you wait
  21. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Greasing up my Staff Member Super Moderator

    The electoral college was conceived to protect the smaller states from the largess of the larger states. It wasn't designed with political parties in mind, only that smaller populated states would have an equal voice. Instead of being shouted down by 2 or 3 high-population states.

    What's being called "The Nuclear Option" is an example of political parties forgetting that purpose. What shocks them is that the cool rules they created, also work for the other party when they are in the driver's seat.

    Simply abolishing it will take far longer than reexamining it to find a compromise. But I get the feeling compromise is not what people want when they suggest clipping it out of existence.

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