The Shit is Gonna Hit the Fan!

It is a flawed treaty, I have pointed out these flaws to you, but you ignore them and keep pressing the "well then you must support third world dictators getting the bomb".
This is the old 'if you ain't for us, your against us' argument and is in itself flawed and seldom used in logical debate.

 

A lot of things in this world are flawed. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

 

dont make the perfect the enemy of the good. wtf, is that supposed to mean?

 

I think he means the treaty may not be perfect, but it is good enough for him.

Pepik, you have spent a lot of time and words here defending the treaty. You accuse anyone who points out the flaws in the treaty as "supporters of third world dictators". You have acted as if the treaty was the perfect solution to nuclear proliferation.
Now you admit it has flaws. Again I ask, how do you expect countries that feel threatened to conform to a flawed treaty that basically ensures that third world countries will remain under the thumb of the three superpowers? Pawns in a game of world domination played by the US, Russia and China?

I would rather see worldwide eradication of nuclear WMDs. A treaty that can be agreed upon by all nations. Not one that says "do as i say, not as I do".

 

I think that was the original intent of the treaty. And it was supposed to be increased incremently as far as enforcement over a period of years. But it's been so gutted and misused that it now stands as a mere joke or excuse for some nations to continue an arms race while others are denied the ability to even attempt to protect their national interests..

 

No, I said that by helping remove an obstacle to third world dictators getting nuclear weapons, you are effectively helping them get nuclear weapons.

I never said that, so I have nothing to admit.

Pakistan and India violated the treaty to arm themselves against each other, not the superpowers. How were they under anyone's thumb?

Oh pity little Kim il Sung.

Yes but that's not the choice is it? The treaty is what it is. That's what people signed up to. There is no other treaty on the table. The NPT does help reduce proliferation, yet you want to get rid of it anyway.

 

What, a conspiracy? A cover-up? But Skip, I thought the idea of conspiracies amongst people in power was distracting from "more important issues"?

www.911truth.org

 

treaties domt mean shit!!! show me the percentage of treatys that the us. has writen as to kept? its crap !!

 

I would say 95% kept, atleast.

http://www.state.gov/www/global/legal_affairs/tif_01a.pdf

Careful, its a pdf file, we all know how bad they are.


Would you like to see a list of the treaties ?

 

yes!

 

and buy the way whats up with the site? i try and go to the main page its all fkd up, cant figure where im spossed to go? is it just me and mine or is it with every one?

 

I would, but since there is over 10,000 treaties in force,
almost an 8mb file, i'm thinkin it might not be a good idea.
But if your not skeered of pdf files the link still works.

Try this link, it might work better for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaties_of_the_United_States

 

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You are rambling, you never admit a mistake, I believe you argue for the sake of arguing. As Gardener says, you are a Troll.
Wikipedia definition "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line dicusion forum with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response."

 

Pepik is a government agent. It's obvious. The guy trolls dozens of internet message boards with his pro-neocon rhetoric and thinks people actually listen to anything he says.

 

Ask American Indians, I believe they'll say the percent is zero.

Peace,
poor_old_dad

 

Can you try being coherent? I support the NPT, that is what I have consistently said. When did supporting the Non Proliferation Treaty become "trolling"?

I am in favor of the NPT, you are against it. Calling someone a troll because they don't agree with you is a cheap way out of a debate.

 

I don't think any of us here are against the orignial intent of it, but it's ended up gauranteeing the US and friends permission to expand and research while telling the rest of the world they have to back up to a wall and wait to be executed.

 

Hmmmm...

The treaty was signed in 1968. Were the USSR and China 'friends' of the US?

Sorry I missed that part of the treaty. Can you point out where it says that?

 

The original treaty doesn't say that but by letting a handful of countries continue with research and development and denying that to others, it's exactly what it accomplishes.

 

it seems it was never ratified by the us. and we are also thumbing our nose at it!!! hmmmmm!http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/7.html oops lost my outher link! lol