The Shadow People

I would agree that what you experience is simply "all in your head" and you're right, I cannot prove that there is a physical world around me, but in the same vein, neither can you prove that there isn't. I'm not saying that you're saying we live in a Matrix-style world, I'm just stating that we're in a "God exists/God doesn't exist" style debate.

I would disagree though that we're not experiencing the world directly, that because electrical signals inform my brain of sensations I'm feeling and that the brain then interprets these signals, that is somehow indirect. I say that is direct. Indirect would be like asing someone if it's cold outside as opposed to going outside and feeling whether or not it's cold.

If being conscious simply means "being aware" by your definition sleeping could be consciousness, as sometimes you are aware that you are dreaming. Even if you're not aware that it is a dream, you still experience the dream (whether or not you remember the dream) and thus are still conscious. But one would say that you're not conscious, because if they asked you a question you would not respond unless you were woken up, and even then you might respond with a nonsensical answer. But you are still "aware" of something, anything, so you are conscious. I actually kind of like that, seeming contradiction in definition.

Since you cannot prove that there is no physical world , and since I cannot prove that there isn't(Pv~P....one must either be negated to prove the other), I suggest we simply go on believing what we do about the world, since whether or not there is a physical world, we still have to go through life, get a job etc.

But if there is no physical world, then shadow people also do not exist and are all in our mind, manifestations of electrical signals in our brains that produce sensations that we percieve. This reminds me of the personal identity (existence of a soul) argument, in which there seems to be an infinite number of ways to argue for the falseness or truth of either argument, with no apparent way to prove for certain which is the truth.

 

I have once seen what some of you have described while toking near a haunted house. I posted about it previously so I will just copy that here.

Late one night I was smoking a sesh with some buddies in a car at the end of the driveway of and old mansion near the university here. We knew about other ghost stories about the house so we drove by it just before we parked and as we went past, I yelled "****!" out the car window towards the house (directed at the dead previous owner's ghost). I did not really believe in ghosts then so I did just to see if something would happen...

Well it did, about 15 minutes later, I could see a very dark shadowy figure moving down the driveway towards us as if it were dodging through the areas of the driveway that were lit up by the street lights. It was very vivid, like matter made of an absence of light taking an abstract human form. After I saw the figure a third time I exclaimed that something was approaching the car from the house. At that moment myself and a friend in the back seat were overcome by a stench so terrible I am sure my lungs will never be filled with something so awful again in my life. It was like a concoction of rotting meats and carried a sensation of intense burning in my lungs. The driver could not smell the stench, but the person in the back immediately described it as the smell of death. Immediately after that, the driver and I saw the shadow figure swoop down the driveway across the front of the car towards the driver door. We got the fuck out of there in a hurry.

I later apologised to the house and the spirit, I won't be disrespecting the dead again nor will I doubt their existence. This was not in peripheral vision, I watched that being move down the road towards me, seeing it at least 4 separate times in maybe 3 minutes.

 

All we perceive on the outside of us is actually taking place on the inside. Who and what we think are is nothing but a splash of chemicals, sugars, and electricity.

 

Escaflowne was a sweet anime. Is your avatar one of those evil cat twins Cosmic Butterfly or is that from another anime?

 

i saw them on mushrooms in the corner of my eye when the music hit a disonance

 

I used to tweak with speed and after a day or two of staying up (sleep depervation) kicks you're ass then ive seen wavey shadows and shadows in the shape of people apearing to move.. but never convo's or anything really skitzo.. KWIS niggaa

 

ive seen them many times sober and ive never tripped normally i just look and they go away and i laugh at it