The Sad Truth

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wrat1, Jan 7, 2021.

  1. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    The great American experiment is over, the events of 1/6/21 will mark the end.
    the large majority of people will go to work 1/7/21 and will talk at the water cooler some will feign outrage by next week it will be forgotten by most .
    The damage has been done the sanctity of free and fair elections has been tarnished and the possibility of recovery is slim
    The likelihood of having an uncontested peaceful election ever again is slim the seeds of doubt have flourished.
    I saw two democrats quote Lincoln last night so with that

    "A house divided against itself, cannot stand."

    Abraham Lincoln in May 1858
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  2. wilsjane

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    I feel that with it's size and diversity, the US should divide into it's member states; Perhaps the state leaders could then elect a president to cover matters such as defence and coordination of certain interstate issues.

    History has shown that when the pedestal is too high, people keep falling off it.
    We joined the EEC, but when the EU was born, it soon turned into a lumbering dinosaur. The suggestion of a combined European army was probably the last straw for us.

    Who knows.
    If my suggestion was taken seriously, one state may stop trading with China, rebuild it's industries, get people back into PRODUCTIVE work and rekindle the American dream.
    They would set an example to the entire western world.

    Lets do it, you can split up the US and I will deal with the EU.
    We will have to build a retirement home home where all the members of the Whitehouse can join the EU nit wits and play computer games all day. :)
  3. wrat1

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  4. lion1978

    lion1978 Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

    In this world we live in there are too many clowns and not enough circuses
  5. wilsjane

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    That is not always true.
    When we realized that the former British empire was failing, we managed to divide things up without any wars.

    A civil war in the US would most likely just split the country into two leaving the two halves with no diplomatic ties and chaos would follow.
    My idea is far better. Despite my light hearted post, I was actually being serious.
  6. wilsjane

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    That is the best metaphorical comment that I have heard for years. :)
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  7. lion1978

    lion1978 Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

    Thank you :)
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  8. wrat1

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    To overstate the obvious Europe/UK/Britain are not the US we have a history rooted in violence and deceit and unfortunately over here that is what it takes
  9. Barry Thrift

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    .[/QUOTE] You sure said a mouthful there, but all very true
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  10. wrat1

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    Just the fact that NO elected official is willing to bring up the fact that this
    Moment Trump encouraged supporters to go to the Capitol ( IS SEDITION

    18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (

    hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

    Shows that we are bought and sold
    they can bandy about with impeachment or eve less likely the 25th amendment
    while neither of those brings with it REAL consequence like say the above mentioned 20 YEAR imprisonment
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  11. lion1978

    lion1978 Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

    This is interesting reading for a non american such as myself, I would have categorised the actions/ storming of capitol hill, as an attempted Coup d'etat which in most countries that I know of would then be classified as an act of terrorisme and treason.
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  12. jimandjan

    jimandjan Member

    The sad truth is these clowns get elected to office. Both rep. and dem.
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  13. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment

    If they let these people slide it's just going to get worse... What happened to "Law and Order"?
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  14. wrat1

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    Which was the point of my whole post they will let it slide or get some token bullshit punishment and next time ( and there is a next time coming) the mob will prevail
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  15. jimandjan

    jimandjan Member

    There is no law and order, when the people who make the laws and stand for the laws, break the laws.
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  16. jimandjan

    jimandjan Member

    To conquer a nation First disarm its citizens. Adolf Hitler
  17. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ Administrator Super Moderator

    The truth is plain to see, the process worked... for now.

    The real issue is the archaic voting system which needs to be revamped.

    When people don't trust that process, after being told to NOT TRUST the process by the 'leader' it encourages dissent, division and the rise of fascism or worse.

    It is time to pull together not sit around griping and looking for revenge.
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  18. lion1978

    lion1978 Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

    Yeah I have always thought it was a bit strange, but then again I'm used to a completely different voting system.
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  19. wrat1

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    Speaking to THIS election IF it was by popular vote the results would have been the same and we would still be where we are
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