The ruling elite want don't want to know about the power of the pineaal gland

Truly this is why the 99.9% of human history pre 1950's were just always the most enlightened time in human history ever, and why things post 1950's like the 60's counter culture, radical environmentalism, feminism, the birth/re-birth of more spiritual religions, the most open society in history, ect never happened.

Oh wait.

Oh, and good luck getting rid of fluoride depending on where you live. Here's a little hint, fluoride actually occurs in the water naturally in many places. It's almost as if at one point dentists and other professionals began noticing that in some areas, people as a whole had better dental health than normal, including those with lack of access to dental care and from lower socio-economic backgrounds and decided to figure out what the heck was causing that.

 

That's chrorine

Nasty shit, really.... but it DOES kill the other nasty shit.

this is different stuff, which in some doses may strengthen teeth. Obviously, the jury is out on all of it's effects.

I'd say that correlation is not causation. For instance, poeple who consume flourinated water are probably lots less likely to be conspiracy nuts, take psychedelic drugs, smoke pot, or have massive nag champa exposure.

And people who consume flourinated water probably have a much higher rate of obesity, eat at mcdonalds a lot more, watch more TV, are around more other plasticizers and household chemicals, are more sedentary, drink more alcohol and generally try not to think, don't take proper vitamins.....

You get the idea. It could well be a general lifestyle thing..... you say that their teeth actually suffer too, maybe it's scurvey from a big-mac/flourinated water diet.

 

So do you think the fluorinated water actally makes a difference?

 

Me, or sapphire?

I think it probably does make some difference. I think it may have not been the only thing in the water in the original places that they discovered the relationship. Just like taking vitamin supplements is often not as effective as eating things with that amount of vitamin naturally in it.

As has been said, it's quite natural, the amount naturally in water just varies with geography. It doesn't bother me. I do think that adding things to the water should be an open community discission and decision, and open to change any time the community's mind changes. It also might be a good idea to require more than half of the vote, like 75 percent, because of course the majority is not always right, and if it's a 50+1 majority, i don't think they should be able to effectively medicate their neighbors against their consent.

But I still think it's probably harmless, and may do good.

 

It is not quite natural. You're thinking of naturally occurring "calcium fluoride." You're not thinking of unnaturally occurring "sodium fluoride." One is natural, while the other is a by-product of the production process of such things as aluminum, fertilizer, etc. Sodium fluoride is what they put in drinking water.

 

Not necessarily.

Yes, sodium fluoride is sometimes used to treat drinking water, more commonly its sodium hexafluorosilicate or hexafloruorosilicic acid.
Sodium fluoride is used in toothpaste
(I had a crash course in municipal water treatment when I was on the local town council...we had alotta water and sewer probs lemme tell ya)



I'm more concerned about the amount of chlorine in drinking water than I am fluoride.

 

Yeah, chlorine sucks, too. But the fact remains that artificially fluoridated water is a bad thing; and that includes sodium hexafluorosilicate.

 

I won't say fluoride doesn't have health effects but I don't think it matters the source, natural or artificially derived it all breaks down into the same thing.

 

I have to wonder at your claim that naturally-occurring calcium fluoride breaks down into the same thing as unnaturally-occurring sodium hexafluorosilicate. Here is an excerpt from the link below it:

The question: Is there a difference in the effectiveness between naturally occurring fluoridated water at optimal fluoride levels and water that has fluoride added to reach the optimal level?

The answer: Fluoride, as such, is never added to the water. Only silicofluorides (a hazardous waste containing many toxic pollutants) are used to artificially fluoridate water, and studies have proven that they do not effectively prevent tooth decay, they only delay it. (See opposition's response to Question 4). Silicofluorides never occur naturally in nature, and they are 85 times more toxic than natural occurring calcium fluoride. Therefore, the effect on the entire body will be different.

http://www.fluoridedebate.com/question03.html
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And here is a pdf of a study done to determine the effectiveness of artificially fluoridated water:

http://www.fluorideresearch.org/232/files/FJ1990_v23_n2_p055-067.pdf

 

Fact sheet on Sodium Fluorosilicate:

Used in fluoridation of water, laundry compounds, enamels and glazes in pottery manufacture. Additive in metallurgy (aluminium and
beryllium). Component of some insecticides, rodenticides and moth repellent. Used as preservative in glue, leather and wood; chemical
intermediate.

http://datasheets.scbt.com/sc-253583.pdf

 

Debates like this get annoying when things like "they use it in rat poison" and "it's a toxic by-product of fertilizer production"... "..hazardous waste containing many toxic pollutants" are bandied about as somehow proof that artificially fluoridated water is toxic.

Lots of toxic chemicals that are by-products of things you don't want to know about are used in foods, food supplements, and food preservatives.

Efficacy of fluoridated water is a whole other question.

If you really don't like how your city or town treats your water supply get your asses to
a council meeting and let your representatives know how you feel...it's your water after all.

 

Ok, so now we know that debates like this annoy you. I really don't know what to tell you about that. But back to the point. If it's used to make rat poison, then it's used to make rat poison. Don't come to me with your sob story about being tired of hearing about it. What did you think would be brought up in a discussion on fluoride?

Your second paragraph appears to be an attempt to justify water-fluoridation on the grounds that "lots of toxic chemicals that are by-products of things you don't want to know about are used in foods, food supplements, and food preservative."

If you're trying to say that it's ok to put a toxic by-product in drinking water because there is a precedent for such activity occurring in the food industry, I'd say that that's not a good argument for putting sodium hexafluorosilicate in water.

 

The article you linked to, the one that was a debate article...Thats what I was referring to as annoying
... annoying because people jump to illogical conclusions based on the kind of scare tactics that I already mentioned; "It's a toxic by-product" It's used in Rat-poison"...and so forth.

No, what I'm saying is, if you are going to discount any ideas of how a chemical is used, in what amounts and what falls below the toxic threshold for humans, then you would probably be horrified the diverse applications of 'nasty' chemicals,...
for instance,Talcum or Gypsum, an Asbestos bearing mineral, is used in the manufacture of Tofu!
Asbestos!!! oooo scary! lol see what I'm getting at?

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear on this...

It's not cool to put stuff in peoples water without their permission!!! :biker:

ZW eace:

 

I'm still curious if the ruling elite (whoever the hell that's supposed to be) want to know about the POWER of the pineal gland or not!

and just what the heck is this POWER the ruling elite can't decide if they want to know about or not?

I mean can I charge up my cell phone with it?
Does it pollute the air?
Does it make any funny sounds or smells when your using this POWER?

Then on top of it all what in the blue blazes does the ruling elite or pine-cones or pineal glands have to do with friggin' toothpaste and water!!???!!

I'm sooo confused :willy_nilly:


I need to lie down now....:svengo:

 

There you go man, keep as cool as you can.
Face piles and piles of trials with smiles.
It riles them to believe that you perceive
the web they weave......

 

Zombiewolf,

Oh, well then, I'm with you. They shouldn't put toxic shit like fluoride in the water; especially when that toxic shit's been proven to be ineffective in its intended purpose.

 

Also, out of curiosity, exactly what illogical conclusion are you afraid people will jump to when they learn that sodium hexafluorosilicate is a toxic by-broduct that is used in rat and insect poison?

 

so keep on thinking free
and live each day on the threshold of a dream

 

I think........ I think I am,
therefore I am...........I think

Of course you are my bright little star
I've miles and miles of files
pretty files of your forefathers fruit
and now to suit our great computer.....
you're magnetic ink:devil:

I'm more than that,
I know I am.......
at least I think I must be

There ya go man......................:afro:

 

That was a couple of troll brains on fluoride. Any questions?