The reason that the masks from the mask mandate was the mark of the 2nd beast

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  1. bourne1978

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    And that no man MIGHT (not can) buy or sell, save he that had the mark (mask)...

    Because of the word might being used instead of the word can. Also mask and mark are close in spelling. It's just one has a simple "r" instead of a simple "s". Plus, I believe if the truth was to come true, it had to be obscured so that it could come true. If Rev 13 used the word mask, then it would have foiled the vision later on in life.

    The 2nd beast is a force, because it forced people to do something. So, that maybe means a mandate was the 2nd beast now come to pass, since a mandate is what forces people to comply.

    What do you all think?

    The mark is the mask. The name of the beast is the mandate. The number of his name is the NUMB-er of his name. For the masks numb people's voices.
     
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    Do I need to state the obvious? "Mark" and "mask" are close in spelling only in the English language. English has lots of similarly spelled words that have nothing to do with each other: dish and fish, goat and boat, bark and bask, rifle and stifle, toast and roast, smell and swell, tease and grease, listen and glisten, life and wife, etc. Revelation was written in koine Greek. The Greek word translated as "mark" in English versions of Revelation is χάραγμα (charagma): a stamp or engraving. The Greek word for mask is μάσκα (máska): a cover, or partial cover, for the face, used for protection or disguise. They have no relationship to each other, except maybe in your own unusual mind. To say that they do misrepresents the Bible. Weird!

    As for the Second Beast, the one from the Earth with two horns like a lamb (symbolizing questionable masculinity) and speech like a dragon--that is obviously Ron DeSantis. You can tell, because he crawled out of the soil of Retrumplican politics and makes authoritarian promises like the first Beast, the really horny (10) Orange One. If one doesn't enslave us, the other will!
    See. Given enough imagination, you can make Revelation say anything you want!
     
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    Tell that to the families of the 1.3 million people who died from Covid. Pseudo religious gobbledegook is a insult to them.
     
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    Many scholars, called Preterists, think that Revelation was about events in the author's time (the 80s-90s c.e.) rather than a prophecy of things that will happen during or after our own time. Revelation was probably written during the reign of Emperor Domitian, who is known in Christian circles for instituting the second great persecution of Christians (the first one being Nero's). Just how extensive the persecution was is a matter of debate among historians. Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea, writing during the reign of Constantine in the 4th century, said it was pretty extensive. Irenaeus, bishop of Lyons, writing in the second century, said said he knew of one Christian who was persecuted by Domitian: John of Patmos, whom Domitian reportedly had boiled in oil. John is said to have miraculously survived (that story coming from the Chrisitian apologist Tertullian about a century after the fact), and was then exiled to Patmos. Significantly, John of Patmos was the author of Revelation, and naturally had a somewhat jaundiced view of Rome and Domitian! Revelation can be read as a revenge fantasy, a warning to Christians about the evil of the Roman world, and a morale booster, promising ultimate victory and a glorious future.

    Revelation is in the literary genre of an apocalypse--full of obscure symbolism, metaphor and allegory, in which a supernatural being reveals cosmic mysteries or the future to a human intermediary. The coded language was intended to prevent the Romans from detecting the subversive content. The Great Whore of Babylon, sits on a beast with seven heads, which we learn represent seven mountains. (v.9) Hmm. What city was built on seven hills? Rome, successor of Babylon, Israel's enemy in Daniel's day, and destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem, just like Rome! Rome prostituted itself in its dealings with other nations.

    The First Beast of Revelation, the Beast from the Sea, we are told (Rev. 13:1) had "seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." This is probably a metaphor for the Roman Empire. John tells is the seven heads are monarchs (emperors?), five of whom have fallen (17:9–10). This passage may refer to the emperors of the Julian line. The name of blasphemy on them refers to the claims they were divine. And we are told that the number of the Beast is 666 (or in some versions, 616). “Wisdom is needed here; one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person." Revelation 13:8 The practice of gematria, much in vogue at the time Revelation was written, involved assigning numbers to letters. Gematria - Wikipedia The numbers 666, when translated in to Hebrew(Aramaic) letters, come out as נרון קסר (Nron Qsr, or Neron Caesar, i.e. Nero!) If Latin instead of Aramaic is used, it comes out 616 (Caesar Nero). Either way, Nero seems to be the Beast in question.

    Of course, Nero was supposed to have been long dead by the time John was writing, so why Nero? Even though he was thought dead, a rumor was widely circulated in the Empire that he was still alive, and about to stage a comeback. This is known as the Nero redivivus legend, the ancient equivalent of Elvis sightings. Nero Redivivus legend - Wikipedia About the time John was writing Revelation, a Nero imposter in Parthia attracted a sizeable following and nearly attacked Rome before he was exposed. Ancient historians Josephus and Seutonius agree that he was the sixth Roman emperor, and John presents him as the sixth head of the beast. "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." (13:1) The Second Beast probably symbolizes Rome's propaganda cult, which was very prominent in the Asia Minor region, where the Johannine community to which John primarily wrote was located.
     
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