The Qur'an lies about the Trinity!

Yes, God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one. However, the trinity states that they are separate.

 

"HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE, THE LORD IS WITH THEE. BLESSED ART THOU AMONG WOMEN AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB, JESUS. Holy Mary, Mother of God, PRAY FOR US SINNERS, NOW AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH. AMEN."

I wouldn't say it doesn't matter what any of the 'rulebooks' say, but in my eyes, the Father Son and Holy Spirit have a mother to worship for providing them with the source where their miracle of life was generated... they don't have a Father to worship. Among the many other contradictions that are hard for anybody to accurately determine who is right, eventhough God does not have a father source of life to worship, contained in His words are direct instructions to NOT worship your mother. Worship only Him, and create no other false gods, even if some people understand what they are surrounded with, it is wrong to worship our environment because that would be a betrayal of God.
this is one of the main reasons I cannot dismiss the possibility that the 'word of God' could have been written by a man with a malicious mind that had something to gain by encouraging people to remain calm, and have faith in our Father, eventho' we are rapidly eating away the potential existence of His Mother.
It's funny how much this government stresses all of their new ACTS, Bills or changes in structure.... change to become more 'consumer friendly'.
we have definitely consumed more than our fare share in past 30 years, the bad thing is, all of our shit is toxic and I don't believe that poison can ever be washed away or burned from this earth.

"HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE, THE LORD IS WITH THEE. BLESSED ART THOU AMONG WOMEN AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB, JESUS. Holy Mary, Mother of God, PRAY FOR US SINNERS, NOW AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH. AMEN."

It's not like a mad-cow can bitch and complain about her problems.

 

Yes, quite deceiving, but what else shall we call it?

I use the mainstream word...^^;

 

Well yes, that's true! I was talking about the Christian Part though! ^^;

Maybe I should have been more precise! New Testament, sorry...(yes, yes, we Christians are weak. )

 

Catholicism.
It don't say it in the Bible.

 

It doesnt say anything about God being three in one either...

Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


Job 6:10 Then should I yet have comfort; yea, I would harden myself in sorrow: let him not spare; for I have not concealed the words of the Holy One.

Ps 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Ps 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.

Ps 78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.

Ps 89:18 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.

Isa 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Isa 1:24 Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:

Isa 5:19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!

Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Matt 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
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Mark 1:24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. ​

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Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. ​

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Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: ​

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Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: ​

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Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. ​

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and on and on and on...​

 

good post Adam

 

Yes it does.

1 John 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit ; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
NKJV

And Adam, who is the Son of God?

 

Colossians 2:9 says, "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form", which is in reference to the Godhead.

 

Why do you keep on quoting a fabricated verse? When the RSV(other bibles did the same, such as New Revised Standard Version, the New American Standard Bible, the New English Bible, the Phillips Modern English Bible ...etc. ) bible was released it vilified the trinitans who at that time had noticed that the only verse supporting the trinitary belief had acually been removed, claiming that the verse indeed was a fabricated product from Medevil times.

As for the NIV, they left it in with the following note; Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)

This was also discussed by Isaaq Newton in a essay entitled "A Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture." i.e 5.7 and Timothy 3.16. Newton claimed that the first that this verse first appeared in the third edition of Erasmus's New Testament.

This belief -as I noted before- has its roots in polytheistic dogmas which can not be substainsuated in the bible. This is not just a muslim belief, but also a historical fact; the early christians did not believe in any trinity. It wasn't until(approx) the Pauline church had won over the Jerusalem church(led by James, they believed in God as being the one and only. During the suceeding years several other scholars claimed that God was indeed ONLY one and denied the Pauline beliefs, many of these were later punished or poisned by the church it self) that the monothestic faith that Christ had fought to protect had been started to face serious changes.

Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Mary; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord (5.72)

 

According to the OT; Adam, David, Abraham and Jacob(peace be upon them all). Despite being called that, no jew would ever worship one of these prophets, would he? It is clear that the meaning is not literal even though I would my self never use the term to any of the Lords creation.

 

And then there's Jesus' quote:

Matthew 28:19
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit ,
NKJV

 

But it seems like there's only one...

 

As we have both stated before, the Trinity was not created until 325 A.D. Trinity concept claims that three distinctly separate individuals make up one Godhead. In reality, the Godhead is made up of three manifestations of one Lord.

1. God, the father of all creation.
2. Jesus, deity living inside of a human body as the blood sacrifice for the sin of mankind.
3. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit which Jesus Christ gave up upon the cross.

They are one

 

The Catholic Church also believes in the Trinity, of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Not Mary, she isnt worshipped like God is.

 

yes, i know [now]...Mary is spoken to, as if alive, and asked to pray for the person speaking to her [as Catholic Christains and Orthodox Christains do with all the saints]...but i meant like, it could have appeared to Mohammad as though the Catholics were praying to her, and worshiping her

 

The pope called her "the mother of God", this is blashpemy enough... not to mention the fact that alot of the catholics use her as a mediate between God and them. In islam there is no such thing, the matter is only between you and God and not a group of priest who are "near to God" or saints(an innovation that has nothing to do with the monotheistic faith God had sent) or the purified Mary. The christian that claims hes only using her as a way of intercession is no more different in this aspect than the hindu who claims the exact same thing with his idols, hes not acually directing the prayer to them, "only through them".

Now I'm not sure how or what you qualify as polytheism but when I read this official rosary of the Catholic Church I cant help but notice a massive input of Mary worship

"Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve! To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this, our exile, show us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!"

Epiphany, since your a wise woman you know very well that the "3 manifastions of God" dont hold any water from the bible either.
When I said that the early christians denied trinity I was refering to "manifastion trinity" you mentioned aswell. The Jerusalem Nazarenes(also called Ebionites-"poor men"-) used to hold the belief that God was one, the Creator of all and they recognized Jesus(peace be upon him) as Christ and rejected the heretic views of Paul, calling him an apostate. As things evolved, the Pauline church and its dogma had suceeded to take the place of the Jerusalem church led by James, this partly because of the Roman devastated the city. Following this, many different groups started to arise defending the view that Christ was only a man and that God was one and only one. As things started getting warmer, the church had to start fighting these people... priests were poisened or banned for their "heretic" views.

The trinity, mary and sain worship are all innovations that contradict the pure message of Christ.

(interpretation of the meaning) :
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender. Chapter; "The Women" verse 171.