The Purpose of the Human Life

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by dreamergirl, Feb 21, 2005.

  1. shaba

    shaba Grand Inquisitor

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    No, no, its cool.
     
  2. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Yes you have voluntary choices such as: I would rather have BLue Bunny Chocolate Seduction than mint chocolate chip right now.

    No you do not make them without prior causes like: Tasted blue bunny before, are you feeling in a minty mood, full, have flu, on diet, did a line, on acid, are you stoned man?

    God is the orchestrater of all action/reaction. I was thinking about this series of books I read as a teen- the Belgariad. In it, there is this kid Garion who is the servant of this super powerful being (basically God). The being (God) explains Garion's existence to Garion at one point by comparing him to a stone thrown at the beginning of time to hit the exact right spot to make everything perfect. Without the stone (Garion) the universe would not be on the right track. This means that all of the 'obstacles' in Garions life were there to guide Garion to the right points at the right time. The entity (God) compared himself to someone who can kill a whole flock of sparrows with one stone, because God knows exactly where to throw the stone to cause a cascading effect throughout history.

    When you compare this to reality, you can achieve the realization that this is exactly what is happening in your life. The spectacular coincidences that occur when you pay attention should lead you to see that life is a planned out orchestrated work of love of which you are an integral part (whether or not you know it).
     
  3. shaba

    shaba Grand Inquisitor

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    ^^ that was beautiful.
     
  4. StonerBill

    StonerBill Learn

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    but didnt conclude anything?

    it doesnt count as our choice if god throws the stone in the place that MAKES us choose the decision required.

    Having tasted things before will make us more susceptablle to choosing one flavour over the other, but it will not make this happen, the mind can derive its choice from other causes as well.

    so either god's 'stone' is just one factor in our choices, therefor meaning he doesnt know what well do, or god causes all the factors directly or indirectly, which means that we dont have free will.

    unless, as inferred, freewill is an illusion, and we dont actually have free will.
     
  5. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    I agree. God has sufficient wisdom to guide our choices, we do not. We can relax in the fact that God does guide our choices.

    We are all stones, stonies, and stoners.

    We make voluntary choices, but they come to us in the same manner as life does: freely. The choices we make are formed by God.

    So: we do not have free will in the sense ability to make a choice without prior cause however we do have free will in the sense that we make voluntary choices.

    The thought of free will is simply one of the prior causes to our decision making process. So free will (as the thought 'I am making a voluntary decision') does exist. It doesn't mean that you make the decision without prior cause- that concept is ludicrous- the fact that the decision exists is a prior cause to a choice being made. A creation can not remove itself from prior cause, and God doesn't need a prior cause because God is eternal (that means God has never at any point in infinite eternity not existed).
     
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