The Psychedelic Revolution

any little bitch can sit at a computer and type out paragraphs about revolution. Go hit the streets. This card is played out.

 

Jenny cracked corn as well.

 

See ya later. Send me a postcard.

 

I'm tellin' ya, a small asteroid strike would definitely do the job

 

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what he said ^ got to have one foot in each. God immanent and God transcendant. although there is no distinction, we are limited to such.

i don't want all those people to die.

 

Love is without condition and therefore is beyond what can be taught. However we can apprehend reality. Your descriptions represent corridors of refraction and the only real division you have described is the overt appearance of conveyance, different feet.

You like to talk?

 

In terms of the absolute, everything else is an abstraction. People do not die of things. The sacrificial fire of metabolism requires 100% mortality.

 

There you go again with that good/bad dichotomy.

 

Sunshine daydream
Walking in the tall trees
Going where the wind blows
We go, we go
Blooming like a red rose
Breathing more freely
Light out singing
I'll catch you in the morning sunshine

 

We exist in a constant state of desire, of want. This shapes and affects our free will. Our will is free, yet constrained by want. In innocence, and lack of knowledge of pain, we act in manners that in one more knowledgeable would be 'evil'. A child doesn't know that hurting others is wrong, when you correct them, they are often surprised. They don't understand, until they have felt pain, and are able to correlate the pain they feel with the pain of another.

Is killing another thinking creature for food wrong? My heart, my conscience tells me it is. Yet others will do so with no compunction, no feeling of remorse. For they have not learned empathy for cows. I haven't learned empathy yet for bugs, so I feel nothing when eating shrimp. Knowledge of what is right is learned. The capacity we are born with is only the capacity for empathy and compassion. The knowledge of good and evil is only learned once we realize that -this- action hurts -that- being, for who we have learned to empathize.

No original sin, simply original innocence, and the later realization of what terrible harms innocence can do when coupled with power. No built in knowledge of good and evil, simply a capacity for both empathy and fearful selfishness. And the capacity to remember build patterns, and earn. Slowly learn that empathy, compassion and surrender work, and fear, selfishness, and resistance do not.

Perhaps. But I personally don't blame the state of the world for my lack of ability to stay in a state of surrender. Unconditional love is unconditional. I doesn't demand that the world be a certain way before that love is given. It doesn't demand that others not use or abuse the love given. It doesn't demand that the gift be used to better the world. It doesn't even demand acknowledgment. It is unconditional. This is the complete surrender.

It's not the world that wasn't ready, it was me. There were things I was unable to accept. There were problems in the world that I desired to 'fix'. There were fears I had that held me back. So I wait, and I learn, and I spend my time trying to 'fix' things. When all I am really doing is refusing to love things the way they are. I hold back from the precipice because 'damn that's far down!'. I stand against what I, in my arrogance, deem 'wrong' with the world and fight against these things.

And that's good. In the meantime I will work to make what I deem a better world. I still have a fire in my, a desire for justice. I still aim to help, and to fight against tyranny. It might be folly, but it is the folly for which I am well-suited. From folly comes new life, new possibilities.

In time, I will learn. I know I have a long road ahead of me. I know some of the paths I will walk will be dark. And I am comfortable with that. In this I have faith: Though I do not know where I am going, I will eventually find my way there.

------ Topic #2 (hurrah derail)

'Women' are not more gifted at things then 'Men', nor vice versa. Period. It's simply not at all true, never has been and never will be. Individual women may be statistically more likely to be good at something then individual men. But that is quite a different tale. There is no essence of masculinity or femininity, aside from that which -you- create in your mind. Or that which is created for you by society. The things that you refer to have another name in other settings. The name is stereotype.

And the essence is mixed up all the time, by nature, by God so to speak. Homosexuality exists, intersexed people exist. There are women who have more of the stereotypical 'male' traits then most every man alive, and vice versa. By nature. The mixing you speak of -happens-. It's part of the system, and it's very, very normal.

Not to mention that is quite literally impossible to tell how much of what trait advantage comes from biological tendency and what comes from society. When girls are sat in a classroom, and convinced by the teacher that studies have shown women to be better at learning and just as good at math, they tend to test -better- then boys. When they are reminded that boys tend to be better at math, they show far decreased scores. Stereotype activation is a powerful force.

And yet, what are these things the sexes are naturally inclined to be good at? I think societal influences muddy the waters, at best. And there are not simply exceptions that prove the rule, but a wide scale of exceptions that actually make the rule out to be the exceptional. We could propose that women are more nurturing, yet there is a sliding scale. Many women are -not- nurturing, and many men are. If we say then that women should take nurturing roles, then many women will do a poor job and many men will have their natural talents unfulfilled.

We could say, as you do, that men are more 'responsible', less swayed by emotion. And yet that wold be missing precision, as men are far more apt to be swayed by some emotions in some situations. Men are far more prone to anger, and to act defensively when challenged. Not to mention that this is a very limited definition of 'responsible' and women seem to tend to handle responsibility better in some circumstances. But even these, these are simply stereotypes, and again there are exceptions that make the rule merely exceptional.

As I've said, for any trait I can point to a member of one sex better then at least 80% of the members of the other. And all but at most 20%(usually more) of each sex has people of the other who have the trait more. Deeming a role(like having more responsibility) to be one or the other means that a sizable portion of the population(40% or so) will be placed into roles inappropriate for them. This is absurd, at best. If it's enforced by one side of the equation, taking the roles with more 'responsibility'(read: power), then it isn't absurd. It's tyrannical.

The thing is, we don't know. And it is not just rebellion. I -is- rebellion, but not just that. It is rebellion against -tyranny-. It is demanding that -you- do not get to decide, by fiat, what is 'natural' for us. Not men, nor science that is designed from bias. Women get to decide. And if you look at feminism today, you will see what we are deciding.

True. And hopefully in that space there will be craftswomen as well as men who spend all their days with the children. There will be women in powerful leadership roles and men who encourage and support them and are cherished for it. Each should be free to do what comes naturally, to do as they will if it harm none. To decide for themselves what their role as man or woman means.

Men are the cornerstone of society? Yet you said earlier families were. I disagree that men can handle more responsibility, and I -strongly- disagree that men do not become as emotional. That is a lie, and it is one that has been hurting both individual males and the structure of society for ages.

Picture this: A man has a bad day at work. He comes home to his wife and kids, and stomps around the house. Everyone in the house feels it, it colors all interaction there all night long. The children are quiet and scared, the wife is on edge. Why? Because the man is busy being 'unaffected by emotion'. Men have been -taught- to be 'unaffected'. And it's incredibly unhealthy for them, and incredibly ineffective. They are affected. They end up reactive and touchy and emotional and angry, and it affects all their decision making and almost always for the worse. And all because showing their real emotions makes them 'weak' in the eyes of society.

If I could choose one thing for men to learn from women, it would be how to stop being 'unaffected'. Stop pretending not to feel so much for so long and so deep that you manage to even fool yourself. Because you sure as hell aren't fooling us. And we have to live with the bad decisions you make because you won't allow yourselves to cry. To be vulnerable. To be emotional. To really allow yourself to feel the emotions that you are feeling instead of burying them and taking them out on whatever you deem your enemy of the moment.

We are emotional creatures because we haven't bought a lie that we are not. And that is a strength, not a weakness. That is why women, if anything, can handle more responsibility then the men of today. And why women -do- handle more responsibility, on average, then men do today. Because men are stunted by the lie that they are not emotional. That being emotional makes you less of a man.

Finally, I will say that yes, responsibility is only part of the picture. But it is the part that matters most. Because the 'responsibility' to decide the shape of society, to decide what's best for others, is -freedom-. Is power. Is autonomy. And one group wielding that more then another is not, and will not ever be equality regardless of what other carrots they decide to throw. Even if the group with more decision making decides to make their own lives hell that the other group might have luxury, it is -still- not equal. It is still tyranny.

And we simply are not going to stand for it. And we beseech you, don't stand for it either. Society gives you power. Use it right, do the right thing, by giving it up. By giving up your arrogant position that you, by virtue of your sex, are better equipped then me, by virtue of mine, to decide what is right for me. Or even for us.

Perhaps some difference does exist. One that would be hard for any to put a name on. Hard for anyone to ever really define and any terms used that meant anything else as well would be lies. And that difference might account for you assuming that men would be best to be the 'cornerstone'. To take a greater share of leadership and decision making. Because you, as a man, can better understand the motivations and actions of men. You find that the decisions they make tend, in general, on average, to make more sense to you. To be more in line with your own. And more in your best interests.

Well, if this little fable is true, would it not seem logical that to me, the decisions of women would tend to seem more sensible? That I might better understand and be more likely to agree with their decisions, in general, on average? That they might tend to be more in line with my own, and more in my best interests?*

Well then, at that rate it seems vital that we split the responsibility perfectly evenly, or as perfectly as we can. So that my interests and yours are both met, equally. Seems only fair.



*I will tell you that yes, this seems to be true, to my eyes. For instance, the decisions of men seem to tend to be more warlike, more hurtful, less gentle. From my personal perspective the world might be better if men had -no- say in public policy or general decision making. They've had that responsibility for thousands of years and done a fairly poor job with it. But that's just my perspective, and I don't think it would be fair. Men should get a say too, despite the fact that men are just seem less "gifted to not become as emotional and less prone to be able to handle more responsibility".

 

I'll over take you in the evening shadows because wonder of wonders, the sun neither heats nor lights, it's all in the mind.

 

Take a step out of the computers and thus your minds, and also remove the computer from your mind. Practice awareness now. Remove Distractions, especially the one of your mind in biased motion. I somewhat agree that there are steps one can take that at least puts in the minimum amount of positive influence into our environment. I also somewhat agree that life is not a chase, with dependent and reoccurring emotions and thoughts with the chase. How much do you like to see yourself suffer, in the most angst sensitive center of place to suffer, your mind? Something that has proven to be out of your control, even, hm. If you want something to label, have knowledge of when you meet a box, or cycle (some prefer). It's not pure discussion and trading of ideas that bothers me, it's when it's surrounded with words of angst. There is much embodiment of your feelings in a lot of your words, I agree, and I am aware action starts at feelings, and words are decent at helping us on our way. Being so guilt ridden, I re-emerged violently to realize through fear, the reasons. Unfortunately I could not just drop my shell and be at peace, I had to blatantly against my will, re-cycle through my conscience to get the source of my thought, which turned out to be just a bad reference point of the past. In some moments and on for periods of time you can be so convinced of your perspective and do comparisons from that outlook. It doesn't even take a big man to admit most importantly to yourself the fallacy of that box you were just trapped in, it's a belittling experience at first, suited great for us losers. I promise admitting it to yourself and making the reversal out of what effect you had on those directly involved and with you, it is like a final satisfaction and then release. One of the most obvious remembrances of this lessons is NOT harboring ill feelings towards others, you where it's from. It may be easy to rub off a specific moment of random negativity, but when it accounts for something between you and a loved one it weighs, and over time even displease to displease will be reflected. It's not a comforting arena. Hiding and being short is much more modest than "being honest."

Who really wants to be a part of speculating with criticism? We all know about the blame game. And yes it is really hard to turn that finger around. But you can do it. Want to find what you were really looking for all along?

 

Know thyself.

 

lol why are you picking on me man? check out the long and elabarote posts by Desos, PB, and autumnbreeze

 

I'm not picking on you, just pulling you leg.
I have a confession to make. I find it difficult to read desos' posts in their entirety. There is enough divergence in the first few lines that I never get that far. If you discover immediately that you are on a road south when you really want to go east, stop going south immediately and change direction, because no matter how far you go with your current trajectory you will not end up at the appointed destination.

 

I'd ask you to go on the quest for the self with me, but you have been underway for much time, so I set sail, not as a sailboat, but as a 1 drop of water in 1 big body of water, alone. My old self is to make the proper goodbyes.

 

Nothing's easy. I've been in a trap with another soul that too much like myself, myself too much like he, a vicious cycle of bad energy. To realize and feel the re-occurring thoughts, body language, and communication and not be able to take the proper steps to be the one to break the cycle and admit your willingness for peace is some heavy mud. Sometimes, one has no choice but to dissociate from the other subject for some time, to be able to FACE them once again clearly. And even giving them time on their own, helps to clear out their minds. Basically there is always potential to start over, many mulligans, because they were all just fragments of thinking all back in a previous figment of time.

 

Wake of the flood, laughing water, forty-nine,
Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin'
Get out of the way, get out of the way,

Here comes sunshine, here comes sunshine.

 

I am that I am.

 

now i see. you women don't want equality. you want the power for yourselves!!

just kidding, sort of. i'll reply to your post later but it seems like there's a never-ending stream of posts that i should respond to, and i need a break.