The Psychedelic Revolution

Yea, but just as valid is the statement that there some things that you don't get because you're "old".

The most important thing is the recognition of NOW...which is Timeless. And right NOW, we're younger than you, and we're more in touch with our youthful nature than you are.

You have more wisdom due to age, but we have more spontaneity due to age.

Who's to say that one is more valid than the other? This is coming from an Eternal perspective. No time. Don't look at things in such a linear fashion, which implies that just because you're older you have more experience and you know what's what. You've been around the bend, etc.

That's looking at everything in a linear fashion.

Who's to say you have more experience than me just because your body is a little more aged? From the standpoint and perspective of Timelessness, there's no such thing as "more" experience.

I'm not trying to bash you, i'm just kind of going out on a limb here...this just came to me, and i'm sure i contradicted myself somewhere along the line. But just soak that in i guess.

 

EHH!? Whats that you say sonny? *Damn hearing aid is on the fritz!*
OK there it goes,working now.
Well let me tell you, I remember back in the summer of uhmm,err *what the hell year was that now* well anyway uhmmm what was I saying??
Oh yeah, back in the day I met this really hot redhead who had legs up to there and an ass you could bounce a quarter off of. Well me and her had a couple o' drinks and I was feeling a little frisky so I says to her "Darlin why dont you slip out those clothes and come over here and give me a nice slow bl...

HUH! WHAT!
What the hell do you mean it's time for my medicine. I already took my fuckin' pills! Damn it woman, can't you see I'm busy tellin' a story here.
Fuck you if your going to call an orderly to take me to my room, you bitch.
*Goddamn nurses around here*
I'm coming hold your Goddamn horses!!!
Pick up my damn cane would ya, what do expect me to crawl to my fucking room!

Damn nurses, stealing all my money when I aint looking, don't deny it you sneaky bitch.

well when my son comes he'll set ya straight he will!
no respect for your elders that's what it is, when I was your age I...........


(Nurse Ratchet) "I'm sorry, but it's Mr. Smith's bedtime now. Maybe you could visit him tomorrow."

 

That is one of the oldest and biggest misconceptions of youth.

You forget that I was once where you are now and have the benefit of hindsight.

 

I'm sorry, but wisdom Timeless. It's Eternal. It doesn't really have anything to do with what age you are.

Don't you ever get the sense that so many lifetimes and different ages are like stored away in the Cosmic Vault inside of you?

The way i act sometimes by myself makes me feel like I am an old geezer, as if there's so some old wise chap inside of me from another lifetime. Don't you ever feel like that regarding your youthfulness, PB?

I guess it's looking at Time in a more cyclical or spiral perception as opposed to the standard linear perception.

 

Yea but maybe i've been once where you are now and also have the benefit of hindsight. No i can't prove it. But again, it's looking at things in a more cyclical matter, rather than a line going from left to right.

Who knows, maybe in a Cosmic perspective i'm actually older than you are, but just on the surface of manifestation i appear younger than you.

But this is where my "argument" crumbles because i have no definite proof to back up these claims. Fuck.

But don't understimate the wisdom of your intuition. That's all i can say for now.


Ok but i just got a thought. OK so PB, think of the Hippies. We can look at it now cause it's all supposedly done and over with. The 1960s are gone and never to return (supposedly, that is until i discover Time Travel..ha just kidding, but not really...)

But seriously though, the Hippies are older than me, but they caused real change because they trusted their gut and embraced their youthfulness NOW. Not even THEN, but NOW. And it actually caused a huge change in society for good! (And this has to do with why i think Time Travel is actually real, because if this moment is truley all there ever is, then that must mean that the 1960s actually exist right this moment, which again refers back 2012, Timewave Zero, the end of Time itself) But anyway...

So what are you trying to say exactly with your wisdom of age? That we should just ignore our youth? Fuck that. There's only this moment, EVER. All the ancient sages can tell you that. And with that acquired wisdom, i'm gonna fucking embrace that shit NOW, while i'm 20 years old and in the prime of my youth.

Again i'm not trying to bash you i'm just trying to express myself here.

 

But referring back to time travel. It's almost as if Timelessness eerily and paradoxically opens the gateway to be able to navigate across time. Simply because there is nothing else other than this moment! Is it not true? It's just a fundamental sort of recognition...

Yesterday was a dream of a memory that you can only reflect upon now, same with a week ago, same with a month ago, same with a decade ago.

Perhaps AS you are thinking a memory of the past, it's actually occurring somewhere in the infinite Emptiness of the universe.

But i'm not even sure about the Future and how that would work out.

But this all refers back to DeJa Vu, Salvia loops, etc.

Sorry i'm just getting like a flood information going through me. Please refute everything i'm saying, i actually encourage it, just so it can help me along in my understanding.

I'm just thinking out loud and getting all my thoughts down on "paper".

Wouldn't you find it fucking strange if you get Deja Vu like almost every day? A constant and eery surge of familiarity about everything in your life that makes your hairs stand up and gives you goosebumps? Like every day almost? Welcome to my life.

Sorry i'm just ranting my ass off...

 

You are exhibiting a lot of "magical thinking" chinacat.
I am looking time as being cyclical or actually spiral.
It is cyclical in this reference in the sense that most everybody goes through the same phases and stages of maturity. Are you going to deny me that I may know exactly where you are coming from because I was your age too once?

You know like "never trust anyone over thirty". I'll bet thats scratched into some cave wall somewhere by some 20 year old Neanderthal.

That is the great and yet frustrating thing about dealing with you younger people, you think everything your going through is new. well it is, it's new for you, but not for me.

So you come into life and leave childhood with your mind brimming with all these great and grandiose revelations because your awareness has grown beyond your own self and see all the wonders and horrors of life and scream out to the world and try to sound the alarm bell.
The thing you don't seem to get is that all this "stuff" is new for you, but everyone goes through these "revelations" you aren't anything new on the cosmic scene.

The reason why you may think you are greeted with complacency by the "older generation" is because we went through the same thing, came out on the other side and realized that all those wondrous new revelations ain't so new or revelatory.

But continue on learning and enjoying life and don't get caught up in over analyzing life, just live it.

Actually whether you realize it or not ,chinacat, your responses to me and attitude are actually confirming your youth and lack of life experience.
Like I said in the prior post, Why are you taking what I've said about youth and age and the difference in wisdom as a personal assault? That is one thing I just cannot fathom.

Common sense would, or rather should tell you that what I am saying is true. Some shit you only learn by doing and some things only come with time.
Why in the hell does that idea raise up the battle cry in some of you guys?

My neighbor who is in his 70's and dumb as hell I still defer to his wisdom for simply one reason, HE HAS OVER TWENTY MORE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON THE PLANET THAN I DO!

 

Yea, you're right.

But i mean, our youth generation IS different than yours, or any other youth generation for that matter. So we CAN bring things to the table that are unprecedented, right? Couldn't you agree with that? Every generation is in its own unique place and brings something new to the table that changes things forever.

 

You do realize that a lot of the people who ushered inthe "hippie movenment"
were in thier thirties and forties don't you?
Timothy Leary was around 40 when he first took LSD.

I never suggested that you should forget your youth. How are you going to embrace this "timeless wisdom" ? through osmosis? by reading a book?
All the ancient sages would also tell you that LIVING LIFE is the only way wisdom is gained. You certainly possess wisdom, the wisdom that you have gained by living your life thus far. I never said that you will reach a certain age and thenPOOF! you have all wisdom. L:ife is an ever changing always progressins classroom, and you will NEVER know all the answers.

I think coming to that realization is one of the main things that has allowed me to relax and just accept life at face value for what it is.

As far as all this other stuff about time travel and stuff, as you noted, there is no "proof" for such stuff as of yet.

My advice as an old fart would be to stop trying to twist your brain around all this stuff and just take life at face value, live it, learn it, experience it as it is.
Don't waste your life in pursuit of shadows of meaning that may or may not exist. It often leads to disappointment and the opposite mindset then what you think it would.

Hey I don't know shit in totality, and all reality is tentative at best. But that is what we have to work with, so work with it and enjoy.

 

Thank you^. I will soak that in. But i need rest now. I've twisted my brain enough for one night.

 

YES, definatly every generation's circumstances are different.
But your still a human being right?
People haven't changed all that much if at all in regards to physiology and growth and development. And a lot of what we are talking about falls under those headings.
Did you know that the brain and nervous system isn't fully developed until the mid-late twenty's? So you are still literally growing and changing in ways that may effect your attitudes and perceptions on a simply biological level.

Don't ever underestimate the power of you bio-chemical "instincts". Sure we layer a lot of meanings and purpose onto our behaviors. But at the most fundemental levels were are still acting out animalistic instincts, most of which are focused on continuation of the species.

 

Same here, you can tell by all my typo's

 

You want to play that age card. I think it reflects something from your past, not his.

 

I think your psychic powers are becoming a bit myopic in your old age, thedope.
You outta get that checked out.

 

You must have not seen the Colbert Report or Futurama.

 

are you all so naive and stubborn that you would justify hilter?

then let me explain things in an eastern context if that would make things easier for you:

(im going to quote someone else here)

dharma is the law that expresses and maintains the law of creation. there is an ancient sanksrit epigram, Ahimsa paramo dharma: the highest dharma is ahimsa, nonviolence, universal love for all living creatures; for every kind of violence is a violation of dharma, the fundamental law of the unity of life.

literally, the sanksrit karma means something that is done. often it can be translated as deed or action. the law of karma states simply that every event of both a cause and an effect. every act has consequences, which in turn have further consequences and so on and every act, every karma, is also the consequence of some previous karma. karma is sometimes considered punitive, a matter of getting one's just deserts. this is accurate enough, but it is much more illuminating to consider karma as an educative force whose purpose is to teach the individual to act in harmony with dharma.

on a larger scale, dharma means the essential order of things, an integrity and harmony in the universe and the affairs of life that cannot be disturbed without courting chaos. Thus it means rightness, justice, goodness, purpose, rather than chance.

underlying this idea is the oneness of life: the discovery that all things are interconnected because at it's deepest level creation is indivisible. this oneness bestows a basic balance on the whole of nature such that any disturbance in one place has to send ripples everywhere, as a perfect bubble, touched lightly in one place, tembles all over until balance is restored.

so then nature is one. there is no this, or that, only unity. but that does not mean that we are not subject to the laws of dharma and karma. but rather, that the laws of dharma would catapult us into this understanding. because this realisation without the understanding of the duty of loving, serving, and giving, holds incomplete karma which will bind us and prevent us from achieving liberation from samsara.

samsara, the cycle of birth and death. freedom from which is realised through nirvana, the spiritual liberation which is life's supreme goal.

judeo-christian, eastern thought, it's all just different angles of looking at the same thing. maybe you should instead try to understand why the stigma against judeo christian thought prevents you from understanding? all that matters is truth, it doesn't matter how you apprehend it.

i think, that it doesn't matter. it is vain to worry about something that is inevitable. if we are to prepare for it, then we are to understand that it doesn't matter if there was a cosmicly shattering event tomorow or 100 years from now, we should still live our life to the fullest and the best that we can every day and without anxiety.

well last time i checked t.v. was contributing to the moral degredation of society, not helping it.

 

What of the violence of negative expression?

Is this also a quote?

The underlying principle of oneness makes everything you say moot, and causes you to perceive karma in a linear fashion, and that perception, is the trap of eternal recurrence.

Yet you harbor and share this measure of anxiety as thought it were your savior.

 

every kind of violence is a violation of dharma.

 

Desos you need to get a dictionary.
Who or where did anyone try to justify what Hitler did? I'm not trying to justify any of his actions, just objectively looking at the FACTS.
Like it or not and regardless of his methodology, Hitler did bring Germany out of a severe economic crisis where people were literally starving to death daily. Open a history book.

That is a fallacy and to chase it is a waste of life. The cycle of birth and death is LIFE and an inescapable FACT of our universe.
Why do you think I posted the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics? To show that all this fucking hocus-pocus you want to grasp on to fails if it does not conform to the underlying mechanisms of the universe. Matter and energy and inexplicably intertwined and always have been and always will be in this current universal model.
The sooner you come to terms with it and accept it the sooner you will begin to REALLY learn and grow. Hell it has taken me the better part of 40+ years to come to that simple yet profound understanding.
You have to take into account all the different aspects of existence and the universe in which we live, otherwise any "truth" you think you have found is incomplete.
I will say as far as religion is concerned, the Judeo-Christian model as well as the Wiccan model take the dual nature of man and the universe (energy in matter and vice-versa) into account more so than most others. Most "Eastern" religious belief systems want you to separate the two and that just don't work in this universe.
Deso, you should expand the parameters that you use to delineate your world, for now they do seem a little stifling.


As far as being naive and stubborn, you are exhibiting that more than any other person in this thread by your vehement stand and conviction that you are RIGHT and the rest of us need to "have the same revelation as you".
What most others in this thread have said is your viewpoint is rather narrow regardless of how "enlightened" you may feel. Expand your viewpoint and never forget that you could be completely wrong about it all.

I have noticed one thing in this and other similar threads with you on these topics. Most all of us that express disagreement with you, me, Mr. Writer, thedope, neodude,
tend to express our thoughts in our own words, you tend to fall back on quoting or restating the words of another. Do you not have any thoughts on these topics that are not steeped in others religious thought or words.

Jesus Christ dude, lighten up. Your only going to give yourself a brain bleed.

As always, it's a pleasure to converse with you, even if it does seem adversarial at times :cheers2:

 

I would love to violate dharma :drool5: (from the tv show dharma and greg)